【键盘侠】字母哥生涯轨迹似LBJ|下一步就是去热火？

Giannis is following a lot of LeBron’s path almost exactly 10 years later.

字母哥的生涯轨迹和老詹有很多相似点，且刚好相隔十年。

LeBron Born December 1984, Giannis Born December 1994

詹姆斯生于84年12月，字母哥生于94年12月；

LeBron drafted June 2003, Giannis Drafted June 2013

詹姆斯03年6月参加选秀，字母哥13年6月参加选秀；

LeBron’s first MVP season & year as #1 seed 2009, Giannis did this 2019

詹姆斯第一个MVP赛季球队是09年头号种子，字母哥则在19年达成这一成就；

Lebron losing in conference finals his first mvp season while being #1 seed 2009, Giannis 2019 (both lost 4-2)

詹姆斯09年带队止步分区决赛，字母哥则在19年止步分区决赛（都是2-4输球）；

LeBron 2nd MVP season & year as #1 seed 2010, Giannis 2nd MVP season & year as #1 seed 2020

詹姆斯第二个MVP赛季球队是10年头号种子，字母哥第二个MVP赛季球队是20年头号种子；

LeBron losing in ECSF his 2nd MVP season as #1 seed 2010, and it looks like Giannis will do this in 2020.

詹姆斯在10年第二个MVP赛季止步分区半决赛，貌似字母哥20年也是这个节奏。

If history keeps mirroring itself like it has with LeBron and Giannis… could we see Giannis leave this year to join a super team ( possibly the Miami Heat ??) ?

Opinion: I think Giannis is less accomplished, and less polished than LeBron was at this point 10 years ago but I find the way their career paths have been so freaking synchronized lately to be fascinating. I hope Giannis can develop some more skill and flourish in the playoffs at some point.

如果詹姆斯和字母哥历史镜像继续这么延续下去……咱们是不是将看到字母哥今年加入一支超级球队（或许是热火？）？

观点：我觉得字母哥的成就和技术都不如10年前的詹姆斯，不过我觉得他俩职业生涯这种惊人的同步度还挺有意思的。希望字母哥能继续锤炼更多的技术，有朝一日在季后赛大放光芒。

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[–]C18H26O2 3420 指標 8小時前

It'll be poetic when he comes to Miami and learns that next gear for the playoffs, develops a post game and how to make clutch free throws. Then he'll return to Milwaukee, win another chip and eventually LA to join forces with Tako.

要是他去了热火，为季后赛而学习新的本领，练出一身低位背打技术，并且学会命中关键罚球，那就很戏剧性了。然后他回到密尔沃基，再拿一次总冠军，最后去洛杉矶和詹姆斯联手。

[–][GSW] Klay Thompson chaoism 11 指標 4小時前

that means we win chip on 2025, 2027, and 2028, then go 74-8 on 2026?

as a dubs fan, I'm totally okay following this pattern

勇士球迷：这不就是说我勇能拿到25年、27年和28年总冠军，而且26年常规赛还能74胜8负？

作为勇蜜，我完全OK。

[–]Heat clear831 75 指標 6小時前

So he is coming to Miami, we win 2 championships. I am good with that

热火球迷：所以他要来迈阿密帮我热拿两个冠军咯，我觉得行。

[–]Warriors famoustran 40 指標 5小時前

Wait and then when he goes back to the Bucks, the Bucks and Warriors play each other in the Finals 4 times in a row? Warriors win 3/4 led by 2x MVP Jordan Poole? Okay cool.

勇士球迷：等会儿，等他再回雄鹿的时候，难道雄鹿要和我勇连续四年总决赛相遇？我勇在2届FMVP乔丹-普尔的带领下拿下其中三个冠军？行吧。

[–]Raptors LessThanCleverName 69 指標 5小時前

Then Lonnie Walker IV becomes dissatisfied with the Spurs and is traded to the Raptors for loyal, fan favourite Pascal Siakam and wins it all with the embattled, veteran PG Fred VanVleet and time is a flat circle.

猛龙球迷：朗尼-沃克将因为对马刺不满而被交易到我龙，与忠心耿耿且深受球迷喜欢的西卡和处境艰难的老将范弗里特联手拿下总冠军，人生果然是兜兜转转。

[–]leetcodelife 336 指標 7小時前

how to make clutch free throws

for now he just needs to hit the rim

“学会命中关键罚球”

他现在还是先好好攻筐吧。

[–]ruinatex 114 指標 6小時前

It would be nice if he hit clutch free throws, but not even LeBron did/does that so who cares. Giannis needs a post/midrange game, him standing still at the 3-PT line when he doesn't have the ball hurts to watch. LeBron was and has always been a streaky midrange/3-PT shooter, but Giannis isn't even streaky, he is nonexistent. LeBron has also always been a better passer.

I'm afraid though that if Giannis joins Golden State (the better choice imo) or Dallas, the East will be so incredibly worse that it would be better to just kill the conference.

要是他能命中关键罚篮那也不错啊，不过连老詹也保证不了这个，所以无所谓啦。字母哥必须得练出低位背身和中距离，他无球的时候杵在三分线外边真的辣眼睛。詹姆斯的中距离和三分虽说一向都是时灵时不灵，可字母哥就没灵过，毫无存在感。而且詹姆斯的传球一直都比他好。

不过我担心的是，要是字母哥去了勇士（我觉得这个选择更好）或者独行侠，那东部就菜得没法看了，还不如直接关停这个分区。

[–]Gran Destino LOLIDKwhattowrite 75 指標 5小時前

the guy can't even win in the east, and now you are saying the whole conference needs to be scrapped? honestly it's ridiculous, the bottom teams in the east are awful but the top teams are absolutely respectable, just because there are no star players and it is more of a team effort does not mean that they are bad teams. jeez...

字母哥连东部都没法突围，你居然觉得可以把东区关停？真是荒唐，东部垫底球队确实菜鸡，但头部球队绝对是不能小看的，你不能说没了球星东部就很烂了啊，这是要看团队实力的。我天……

[–]Yacht Club Portlandblazer07 41 指標 5小時前

Giannis would get crucified for joining the warriors after this year. Bailing after playing an awful series is not a good look.

字母哥要是这赛季之后去了勇士肯定会被喷死。季后赛打得这么差之后就一走了之，观感太差。

[–]Kemna21 58 指標 4小時前

So instead of comparing to Bron we should be comparing to Durant

所以咱这是不拿他和詹姆斯比，反倒和杜兰特比咯==

[–]Captain price101 30 指標 4小時前

We would compare Giannis to KD if he left Milwaukee to join Miami the team that beat him

他要是离开密尔沃基之后加入战胜自己的迈阿密，那才能和杜兰特比……

[–][POR] Damian Lillard challenger_black 71 指標 3小時前

Lol do people on here not remember how Bron going to Miami was received by fans? He was hated for it and they burned his jersey in Cleveland. Bron being the NBA good guy only came about after he beat the new most hated team (Warriors) and now that time has passed and people appreciate the Heatles for how great they were. Giannis leaving Milwaukee wouldn’t be a far off comparison from Bron leaving Cleveland the first time.

开拓者球迷：哈哈哈，难道你们很多人都不记得当年老詹去迈阿密之后的风评吗？他因此被很多球迷记恨，克利夫兰还有人烧了他的球衣。老詹就是在率队击败新晋最被人恨的球队（勇士）之后，才成了联盟中的好人。时间一点点流逝，大家这才开始逐渐认可那支Heatles时期热火的强大。字母哥要是离开密尔沃基，引起的轰动是没法和老詹第一次离开克利夫兰相比的。

[–]Magic Str8_up_Pwnage 9 指標 1小時前

Crazy to think that even people in their late teens or early 20s might not have been watching when Lebron joined Miami. He was public enemy #1.

魔术球迷：现在这些十几岁二十出头的年轻人也许没看过詹姆斯当初加盟热火的场景，他当时可是头号公敌。

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[–]76ers livindedannydevtio 103 指標 6小時前

I recall lebron being a lot better in the playoffs

76人球迷：我记得老詹在季后赛可比字母哥强一大截

[–]Bulls itsfcked 1108 指標 7小時前

Lebron made the finals in 2007, thats a pretty big thing that Giannis has yet to do.

公牛球迷：他打进了07年总决赛，这可是字母哥至今都没达成的一大成就。

[–][GSW] Stephen Curry voldemortscore 254 指標 9小時前

LeBron led a team to the Finals at age 22 and had one of the greatest playoff runs ever at age 24.

勇士球迷：詹姆斯22岁率队打进总决赛，又在24岁率队打出了季后赛史上最强势表现之一。

[–]She CutOffHerToe 11 指標 3小時前

Yeah this post reeks of reaching. Giannis is great. Really great. But he's at least a full tier below what LeBron was.

And I say that as someone who has never liked LeBron.

没错，这帖子有点挑事儿。字母哥很厉害，确实很强，但他至少差当年的老詹差一档。

何况我这人还从未喜欢过詹姆斯。

[–]sallright 871 指標 6小時前

Not sure why that fact was conveniently omitted. What Lebron did in 07 to get to the finals was legendary and Giannis has yet to do anything remotely similar in the playoffs. That was in Lebrons 4th year.

不明白为啥这些事实被楼主忽略了。詹姆斯07年带队打进决赛的成就堪称传奇，这可是他进入联盟的第四年，字母哥在季后赛还毫无建树呢。

[–]Kings save_the_pigs 6 指標 1小時前

Lebron has never not dominated. It has taken Giannis years just to get to the level that LeBron was at in his 2nd year.

I would probably take any version of LeBron over current Giannis.

国王球迷：詹姆斯从未有过没有统治力的时候。字母哥在联盟磨炼了这些年，这才达到老詹进入联盟第二年的水准。

[–]AcidShades 467 指標 5小時前

That's how these comparisons work. You omit things that are different and cherry pick things that are similar.

Giannis is an unbelievable player, even if his game isn't well rounded enough at the moment to be able to handle every look opponents throw at him. But LeBron was operating at a whole different level.

这就是楼主这个比较的初衷啊。忽略掉两个人不同的地方，专挑相似的。

字母哥很强，虽说他现在还不够全面，没法利用好对手暴露的每个机会。但是当年的詹姆斯是另一个层面的。

[–]Lakers Adog__24 45 指標 4小時前

The point of the post was to point out similarities in their careers. Not comparing the two.

湖人球迷：这个帖子的目的就是指出他俩职业生涯的相似点啊，又不是要做比较。

[–]Pacers TruthReveals 111 指標 4小時前

OP literally mentions at the end that Giannis is less accomplished and polished than LeBron was as a player, and admitting that the comparisons are more their current career situations with their respective teams.

步行者球迷：楼主其实在结尾提了一句，字母哥作为球员本身的成就和技术都不如10年前的詹姆斯，并且也承认这个比较侧重的是他俩在各自球队的生涯轨迹。

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[–]Rockets ElderGoose4 76 指標 7小時前

Except Brons early Cavs teams were built like garbage and he has to constantly deal with the super Celtics. Giannis’ team is basically built to his strengths and is on paper the best team in the East. Giannis can go to another team but you can’t tell me the Bucks org didn’t try what they could to get Giannis a ring with them.

火箭球迷：詹姆斯早起的骑士是很菜的，他还得不断和那支超级凯尔特人较劲。字母哥的队伍基本就是为了发挥他的长处而建队的，纸面实力也是东部最强。字母哥可以加入其它球队，可你不能说雄鹿没有为了夺冠而努力。

[–]sallright 15 指標 6小時前

It’s a good supporting cast. They should have kept Brogdan but it’s still a good squad.

雄鹿的配套阵容很强的，没留下布罗格登很可惜，但这阵容还是可以的。

[–]Grizzlies Silenced_Masses 123 指標 10小時前

Yeah everyone keeps comparing the idea of Giannis leaving for the heat to KD snaking his way to GS. But it’s honestly a lot more like LeBrons “Decision” to go to south beach.

Leave a northern smaller market for south beach to chase rings. Probably leave his original team kind of fucked for the foreseeable future. The only things missing are a bosh type player to form a trio and the fact that since Milwaukee isn’t his hometown he probably wouldn’t return to get them a ring later.

Granted in this scenario Giannis and butler are like off-brand LeBron and wade and I don’t know if I’d expect them to even win a ring.

灰熊球迷：没错，假如字母哥离队去了热火，很多人都将其与杜兰特叛变加盟勇士比较。可其实，字母哥这种更像是詹姆斯当年去南海岸的“决定一”。

离开北部的小球会去南海岸追逐戒指。或许让他的母队在短时间内一团糟。他去热火唯一却的就是波什这种球员来组三巨头，而且密尔沃基又不是字母的家乡，也许他往后不会回来帮助球队争冠。

假设这种情况真发生了，那字母哥和巴特勒更像是杂牌詹韦组合，不知道能否对他们的争冠前景抱有期待。

[–]Heat CorrineontheCobb 32 指標 8小時前

Giannis, Butler, Bam, DR, Herro, Dragic, + bench pieces and ring chasers doesn't sound like a championship team? How about if we also managed to get a third star in summer '21?

热火球迷：字母哥、巴特勒、阿德巴约、罗宾逊、德拉季奇，再加上一帮替补，难道不像冠军球队？要不我热在21年夏天设法再签下第三名球星如何？

[–]Heat 10woodenchairs 10 指標 7小時前

Embiid sounds like he could go to Miami

热火球迷：感觉恩比德愿意来我热

[–]Heat CorrineontheCobb 10 指標 7小時前

Imagine Embiid at center, Bam at PF, Giannis at SF, Butler at SG and DR at Pg.

You've got one hell of an offense with Butler and Giannis handling the ball at different times and Bam being able to pass the ball in and around the paint to or from Embiid to whoever is open outside and DRob nailing 3 pointers while Dragic and Herro come off the bench for additional 3 point and midrange firepower as needed.

That team would be stacked as fuck, especially in the playoffs where we can use Iggy as a back up wing defender.

热火球迷：恩比德打中锋，阿德巴约大前锋，字母哥小前，巴特勒分卫，罗宾逊控卫，这阵容不敢想象。

巴特勒发起进攻，字母哥偶尔控球，阿德巴约可以和恩比德内传内，还能分给外线空位的罗宾逊飚中三分，而德拉季奇和希罗可以替补出场提供必需的三分和中距离火力。

这个阵容肯定能打，尤其是季后赛还有伊戈达拉这么个替补侧翼防守人。

[–][MIL] Thon Maker grphelps1 21 指標 5小時前

This team would have the worst spacing in the league by far lol. Embiid, Giannis, and Bam absolutely would not be able to be on the court at the same time.

雄鹿球迷：真要成了，这个阵容的场上空间就是联盟最烂的，哈哈哈。恩比德、字母哥和阿德巴约肯定是不能同时在场的。

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[–]Nuggets Lookatcurry_man 196 指標 10小時前

yeah the Bucks the past couple years remind me of those early Cavs teams so much. Well oiled machine in reg season, 60+ wins, fall apart in playoffs

掘金球迷：是啊，过去几年的雄鹿还真让我想到了早些年的骑士。常规赛顺风顺水，60多的胜场，到了季后赛就歇菜。

[–][BOS] Paul Pierce poeope 414 指標 10小時前

The supporting cast is alot better for the Bucks they should not be falling apart.

凯尔特人球迷：雄鹿的辅助阵容比当年的骑士强太多了，他们就不该拉胯

[–]Nets aydee123 60 指標 10小時前

Delonte West, Mo Williams, Anderson Varejao, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Joe Smith, Wally Szczerbiak, (washed) Ben Wallace, Booby Gibson, Sasha Pavlovic, coached by Mike Brown

Khris Middleton, Brook Lopez, Eric Bledsoe, George Hill, Wes Matthews, Pat Connaughton, Marvin Williams, Donte DiVincenzo, Kyle Korver, coached by Mike Budenholzer

篮网球迷：韦斯特、小莫、瓦莱乔、伊尔戈斯卡斯、乔-史密斯、斯泽比亚克、大本（养老）、丹尼尔-吉布森、帕夫洛维奇，主教练迈克-布朗；

米德尔顿、大洛佩斯、布莱德索、焦志喜、马修斯、康诺顿、马文-威廉姆斯、迪文琴佐、科沃尔，主教练布登霍尔泽

[–]Pistons XolorJZ 51 指標 10小時前

The regular season versions of the first 3 Bucks are cleanly better than anyone on the Cavs

雄鹿前三人的常规赛水准比骑士辅助阵容里的任何人都强。

[–]mclovin215 17 指標 7小時前

LeBron had Mo Williams as his 2nd best guy. The only reason he became an all star was because he got the chance to play with LeBron. This bucks supporting crew is wayy better

当时老詹的最强帮手也就是小莫，后者能进全明星也就是因为他是老詹队友。现在雄鹿这辅助阵容强出一大截。

[–]PMmePETITEwomen 253 指標 10小時前

It’s also a mixture of the coaching and Giannis himself. LeBron did a 38-9-9 series in the 2009 ECF that they lost. Giannis isn’t touching those numbers

雄鹿季后赛拉胯也与教练和字母哥自己有关。詹姆斯虽说09年分区决赛输了，但他系列赛场均38+9+9.字母哥连边都摸不到。

[–]CH0S3N-0NE[S] 209 指標 9小時前

keep in mind LeBron did that when it was much harder to put up those numbers than it is today

别忘了那个年代比现在得分难多了。

[–]Heat THATSTHEBOTTOMLINE 93 指標 6小時前

Every time someone compared Giannis to young LeBron I know they didn’t watch basketball pre-super Warriors. LeBron did absolutely everything for that Cavs team before he said fuck it I want to join a winning organization.

热火球迷：每当有人拿字母哥和幼詹比较时，我就知道他们没看过超级勇士成型之前的NBA。在表示想去一支争冠球队之前，詹姆斯在骑士是什么都干的。

[–]76ers grundlesmith 18 指標 6小時前

Lebron has about 5x more basketball skill and IQ. Giannis is likely the least skilled player ever to win MVP and probably wont ever be able to carry a team to a title as the #1 option. I don't see him winning a title without another star on the roster and the Bucks cashed in all their chips on aging role players. Middleton is a great piece, but it looks like the Bucks lack creation once a team commits to taking away Giannis' layups and dunks. The raps did it last year, the sixers did it on christmas day, and the heat are doing it now.

76人球迷：詹姆斯的篮球技术和球商大概是字母哥的五倍。字母哥很可能是技巧最匮乏的MVP，或许这辈子都没法以头牌的身份率队捧杯。身边不多一名球星的话，我觉得他拿不到冠军，而雄鹿却在那帮年龄越来越大的角色球员身上梭哈了。米德尔顿是个不错的拼图球员，可只要对手不让字母哥轻松上篮了，雄鹿就缺乏创造力。去年的猛龙、圣诞节的76人和现在的热火都是这么干的。

[–]NotAn0pinion 16 指標 6小時前

Giannis is awesome, but LeBron was by a wide margin the best player on the planet 10 years ago. Some might believe Giannis is right now, I'd say it's still LeBron or perhaps it's Kawhi, Giannis isn't even a surefire #3 to me (Doncic, Durant, Harden, AD, Curry all could make a decent case). Nothing against Milwaukee, but I'd love to see him playing next to Luka. I'm not a Mavs fan, but I really appreciate the way he plays and it would be cool to see those two playmakers together in their prime.

字母哥很出色，但詹姆斯10年前就是联盟最强了。有些人或许觉得现在的最佳是字母哥，我觉得要么还是老詹，要么就是小卡，字母哥连第三都不能坐稳（东契奇、杜兰特、哈登、戴维斯和库里都很有说服力）。不是针对密尔沃基啊，可我真的想看看字母哥搭配东契奇。我不是独行侠球迷，但我确实欣赏东契奇的打球方式，要是能看到这两位组织者在巅峰期合作，那肯定很过瘾。

[–]Pacers brrrrrrrrrrrrrfuk 3 指標 5小時前

Mark Cuban has entered the chat

步行者球迷：库班加入了群聊。

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