【键盘侠】巴克利吐槽KD只是“乘客”|篮网下赛季很难进东决？

Charles Barkley - “Kevin Durant was a bus rider not a bus driver in Golden State”

NBA名宿巴克利近日在节目中谈到KD时表示：“杜兰特在勇士时期只是一名乘客，而不是司机。”

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[–]Spurs Nate_Shoober 1072 指標 1 天前

"My Next Stop"

马刺球迷：“我的下一站！”

[–]youchoobtv 25 指標 1 天前

KD burner account INCOMING!

阿杜的小号要来啦！！！

[–]Lakers cjsrhkcjs 658 指標 1 天前

why can't there be two bus drivers, one for the first 12 hours, and one for the last 12 hours.

湖人球迷：为啥就不能有两名大巴司机呢，一个开前面12个小时，另一个开剩下12小时。

[–]Raptors Kizz3r 347 指標 1 天前

Well if u have 2 bus drivers it’s probably more better to do it in 6 hour shifts instead of having a dude drive 12 hour straight

猛龙球迷：要是有两名司机，那也许改成6小时一换更好。

[–]Raptors definitelynotagay 10 指標 1 天前

Tom Thibodeau would like a word

猛龙球迷：锡伯杜直呼内行。

[–]Knicks yooorick 516 指標 1 天前

sounds like KD needs PG to be his driver

尼克斯球迷：听起来阿杜需要乔治做他的司机哦

[–]Celtics captaing1 600 指標 1 天前

I really want the nets to get PG. I just want to see three super insecure personalities interact on the nets.

凯尔特人球迷：我还真是希望篮网拿下乔治。就想看这个性都极不靠谱的哥仨在篮网碰头。

[–][CLE] LeBron James aresman 73 指標 1 天前

I just lol'ed imagining that. The post game conferences would be gold

骑士球迷：光是想想就乐了。赛后发布会肯定很有料。

[–]Nuggets Official_CIA_Account 50 指標 1 天前

PG: Hey Kyrie? Do these shoes make me look fat?

KD checks out his own shoes in the mirror.

掘金球迷：乔治：“欧文啊，我穿这双鞋是不是显胖啊？”

阿杜对着镜子看了看自己的鞋。

[–]leesheen 170 指標 1 天前

Please Santa. For this christmas, this is what i need.

拜托了圣诞老人，这就是我今年圣诞想要的礼物。

[–]Cassini__ 68 指標 1 天前

Considering KD’s, Kyrie’s and PG’s contracts total 107 million and the last seasons salary cap was 109 million, sadly I don’t think it will happen. And if it does they’d probably have to lose LeVert and Dinwiddie and not be able to resign Harris and at that point it’s not worth it.

可惜阿杜、欧文和乔治的薪资加起来有1.07亿啊，上赛季的薪资帽就是1.09亿，我觉得这事儿成不了。要真成了，那篮网就得失去勒维尔和丁威迪，也没法和哈里斯续约，这就不值当了。

[–][BKN] Joe Harris LinuxUbuntuOS 22 指標 1 天前

I'm not longer a Nets fan if this happens.

篮网球迷：要这事儿成了，我就不再是网蜜了。

[–]Pelicans Im_Daydrunk 37 指標 1 天前

 That seems like a big overreaction. PG is still a really good player and having him be your 3rd best player would make his off nights a lot less harmful

Nets would an absolute force if Durant is healthy

鹈鹕球迷：你这就太夸张了吧。乔治依然是一名出色的球员，让他做三当家的话，哪怕他偶尔打得不好，对球队的伤害也小得多啊。

如果杜兰特健康的话，那篮网肯定很强。

[–]aulixindragonz34 20 指標 1 天前

KD-kyrie-PG13 trio if KD is even only at 70-80% is at least ecf appearance imo,probably finals even.

阿杜、欧文和乔治的三巨头组合要是成了的话，阿杜哪怕只有七八成的状态，我觉得篮网至少也能打进东决，甚至是总决赛。

[–]Ronaldo Ace 19 指標 1 天前

I hate all of this type of crap that constantly goes on with discussions about the best players.

*put together great team and play great basketball and win it all*

- "it doesn't count! The team is too strong and they need all that HELP."

*be a great player on a crappy team and try do it yourself and fail*

- "Don't even discuss that player, let me know when they get some wins, first."

总是没完没了地讨论这些顶级球员，我挺反感这些废话的。

要是球队组建得好，打出好成绩夺冠了，那就是“这不算！这个球队太强了，他们还是得靠帮手！”

要是在一支菜队打得好，靠自己拼一把结果失败了，那就是“没那个必要讨论他，等他们能赢球了再说吧！”

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[–]Gym JamJustice 4568 指標 1 天前

I guess we'll find out during his tenure as head coach of the Nets one day a week.

阿杜是司机还是乘客，这得等到他在篮网每周做一天的主教练之后才知道。

[–]jaytee158 23 指標 1 天前

Nash gets 3 days, KD and Kyrie get 2 each. But the only issue is that Nash's days coincide with off-days

纳什做三天，阿杜和欧文各当两天。唯一的问题是，纳什的日子刚好和休息日重合。

[–]Raptors smeg_ 2827 指標 1 天前

Its gonna be hilarious watching KD and Kyrie inevitably collapse the moment they face a good team. Neither of them has ever been a leader. They'll eek out 50 wins, but come the 2nd round of the playoffs when they face adversity they'll collapse like the Clippers did

猛龙球迷：欧文和阿杜碰上强队就难逃一崩，这场面看着肯定很可乐。他俩都不是当领袖的料。他们还是会蹭到50胜，但到了季后赛第二轮遇到逆境时，就会像快船一样拉胯。

[–]Ok_Internet4444 53 指標 1 天前

No because the Nets are better built, didn't trade half their roster and KD > Kawhi/ Kyrie > PG

不会的，因为篮网的建队模式更好，他们没有送走半支球队，而且阿杜强于小卡，欧文强于乔治。

[–]creampi3guy69 24 指標 1 天前

Kyrie Irving won’t even make it through the whole season. Guarantee he will get injured like he always does and it will be kd stuck by himself.

欧文甚至都打不了整个赛季。我保证，他会像以前一样受伤，到时候就阿杜一个人被晾在那儿。

[–]Hawks Tankwagon SpeedRacing1 1990 指標 1 天前

I am looking forward to Kyrie's inevitable vague mid-season comments after a 5 game loss streak,

"I don't know, but we gotta figure it out. We're playing as individuals, not as a team, The other guys -- I mean, we all need to figure out our roles. The plays we're running -- we just gotta try some new stuff out I think, we have the talent, but it's just not clicking."

老鹰球迷：篮网要是赛季中期遇上五连败，欧文肯定会阴阳怪气，我很是期待这个场面哦。

“我不知道，不过我们得解决问题啊。我们打得太散了，不像个球队。其他人——我的意思是，我们都得找准自己的定位。至于球队的打法吧，我觉得咱们得尝试点新花样，我们有这个天赋，就是不对路子。”

[–]Supersonics IgnantWisdom 1474 指標 1 天前

That actually sounds much more reasonable of a take than what I would expect from Kyrie.

超音速球迷：你这话听起来其实比我印象中的欧文理智多了。

[–]Raptors smeg_ 132 指標 1 天前

Yea he'll definately be throwing someone under the bus

猛龙球迷：对啊，欧文肯定会把别人往坑里推的。

[–]Celtics latearrival42 197 指標 1 天前

It's going to be steve nash.

凯尔特人球迷：那人就是纳什。

[–]Lakers kingofgamesbrah 86 指標 1 天前

Kryie - "why aint Nash playing? He just barking order he needa suit up..."

Nets - He's the God damn coach... and the earth ain't flat!

湖人球迷：欧文：“凭啥纳什不打啊？难道就在场边指手画脚吗？他得穿球衣上场……”

篮网：他尼玛是主教练啊……而且地球也不是平的！

[–]Trail Blazers DunkingOnInfants 10 指標 1 天前*

‘I do not mean to say that I don’t respect coach, but he ain’t the one out sweating, diving on the floor. He’s not putting up shots, he’s in a suit. We’re the ones playing. It’s about us players, and I’m worried about our players. You’re wearing a suit, so just do suit things, and shut up.’

开拓者球迷：“我那话没有不尊重教练的意思，可是他又没在上场流汗摔打。他又没投篮，他就穿着西装。场上打球的是我们啊。是我们球员啊，我替我们自己捉急啊。你既然西装革履，那就体面点，闭嘴。”

[–]Nuggets freakymreaky 54 指標 1 天前

That boy LeVert stole my shots, we need to pass more, especially levert he needa to pass more and I need to be more aggressive like harden maybe and levert needs to learn to share the ball. We could use more passing like how many shots levert has taken today probably too many? I also dont believe in corona I think the fans should come if there were fans here today levert would have passed more.

掘金球迷：“勒维尔内小子抢走了我的出手机会，我们必须多传球啊，尤其是勒维尔，他得多传，我得像哈登一样打得更有侵略性，勒维尔必须学会分享球。咱们本来是可以多传球的，勒维尔今天投了多少次来着？是不是太多了些啊？而且新冠啥的我也不信，我觉得球迷们应该进场看球，要是今天有球迷的话，勒维尔就会多传传球的。”

[–]Hawks Tankwagon SpeedRacing1 587 指標 1 天前

Kyrie from a high level usually sounds reasonable about basketball, it's just if you look at what he's saying he's always trying to offload blame to his team or circumstances.

老鹰球迷：清醒的欧文一般在谈到篮球时还是蛮理智的，你看看他以前说过的话就知道了，他老是想甩锅给队友或外部环境。

[–]Hawks WhiteHeterosexualGuy 347 指標 1 天前

yep lol he uses the word "we" a lot then makes sure to clarify hes not talking about himself

老鹰球迷：是啊，哈哈哈，他经常用“我们”，就是为了刻意表明他不是在说自己。

[–]Warriors hoffmanmclaunsky 37 指標 1 天前

At this point I don't know of any Warriors fans who care about defending KDs move. It was unfair, he fucked the balance of the league, Warriors predictably won titles and injury was the only thing that could stop them. Most Warriors fans don't give a shit about KDs legacy and defending it.

勇士球迷：都这地步了，我不知道还有没有勇蜜为阿杜当年离开雷霆说几句好话。这是不应该的，他当时破坏了联盟的平衡，勇士如大家所料地赢了俩冠军，伤病是他们唯一的障碍。大多数勇蜜压根不在乎KD的成就，也不会为其发声。

[–]NBA Vmurda 29 指標 1 天前

Agreed. Most Warrior fans I know think of KD as a mercenary, and are just glad they were able to get some titles out of him before he bounced

同意。我认识的大部分勇蜜都觉得阿杜是个雇佣兵，仅仅是为球队能在他的帮助下夺冠而感到高兴。

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[–]Lakers spicywardell 141 指標 1 天前

didn’t KD’s thunder win 60 games the year westbrook went down? KD won mvp that year. 2014

湖人球迷：威少倒下的那个赛季阿杜不是带领雷霆拿下过60胜吗？2014年吧，阿杜还拿了MVP.

[–]76ers MadBeamer 204 指標 1 天前

He also went to the finals as the best player on the team at 23 yo and put up 30/6/2 with a block and a steal per game... KD slander is getting ridiculous especially since he's coming off of an achilles tear

76人球迷：他还在23岁的年纪以队内最强点的身份率队打进总决赛，场均30分6板2助1帽1断……现在对阿杜的抹黑也太过分了些吧，何况他刚刚从跟腱撕裂中恢复过来。

[–]Thunder treemeista 106 指標 1 天前

Yeah, this thread is fucking crazy. At the very least, KD was co-leader with Westbrook on those Thunder teams. I know a lot of Thunder fans will disagree, but in real time, people didn’t look at Russ as the sole leader of the Thunder.

雷霆球迷：对啊，这个帖子就特么离谱。再怎么说，阿杜当年也是雷霆的领袖之一。我知道，很多雷蜜会否认，可现实是，当年大家并不觉得威少是雷霆唯一的领袖。

[–][OKC] Russell Westbrook wcooper97 9 指標 1 天前

Russ got shit on all the time for shooting 20 times and averaging 5 assists back then. It wasn't until we lost to the Grizzlies in 2013 and had some tough stretches after KD cooled off in 2014 that made them think "hey maybe this guy is the heart and soul of the team."

雷霆球迷：当年威少因为场均出手20次5助一直被喷。直到我们在13年输给灰熊，14年阿杜状态不行球队却打出一些强势表现之后，大家才开始觉得“或许这家伙才是雷霆的灵魂”。

[–][OKC] Hasheem Thabeet Trevor_Sunday 51 指標 1 天前

It's becoming very clear this sub is about reactionary takes and trendy hate. Did this idiot say Kd would lose in the second round with Kyrie and a bench that could probably make the playoffs on its own? Lmao

雷霆球迷：越来越明显了，这个论坛就是抖机灵拉仇恨。明明篮网光靠欧文和一帮替补就差点冲进季后赛了，可上边儿不还有个蠢货说阿杜会在季后赛第二轮输球吗？笑死个人。

[–]76ers Bandwagon Scrotum_Phillips 17 指標 1 天前

Nets are going to have to beat the Heat, raps, and /or Bucks by the second round. Smart money is on the Nets not making the ECF next season.

76人球迷：篮网下赛季得在第二轮击败热火、猛龙或者雄鹿才行啊。聪明的话就不该赌他们下赛季打进东决。

[–]Warriors fopiecechicken 17 指標 1 天前

And it’s not like the Warriors carried him to a title... say what you want about him coming to us, but he balled the fuck out in the playoffs.

Call him weak for the move fine, but to act like he wasn’t neck and neck with Steph for best player on the team is kinda disingenuous.

勇士球迷：当初阿杜在我勇也不是蹭冠啊……他离开雷霆你们想咋说随意，但他尼玛在季后赛确实是暴强。

你要说他离开雷霆的操作不地道那也没啥，可要是觉得他当时在我勇不是和库里并列队内最佳，那就有点不厚道了。

[–]macklowe 8 指標 19小時前

They were neck-and-neck for best offense, and Durant is hands-down a better defender.

他俩在进攻端并驾齐驱，可阿杜的防守明显更强。

[–]Lakers doodypoo 50 指標 1 天前

KD and Kyrie both been in positions to be leaders, I think KD was a on-the-floor leader for the Thunder during their peak years, but they clearly both are not great locker room guys. I think they will probably instill a “my way or the highway” for the Nets group.

湖人球迷：阿杜和欧文一直都担负着队内领袖的责任，我觉得阿杜在雷霆是场上领袖，可他俩明显都不是很好的更衣室球员。我觉得他俩或许给篮网注入一种“不听话就滚蛋”的风气。

[–]Lakers Allblackallamerican 46 指標 1 天前

Eh, KD is miles better than Russ and Kyrie, but Russ and Kyrie have bigger voices.

KD went to Golden State just so that he didn’t have to be the leader. Sure, he was the best option on the floor, and he’ll probably always be the best option on the floor for as long he plays. But if he can’t find that leadership quality, he’s never gonna lead a team to a title, let alone multiple.

He’s already 32. If he hasn’t found that quality yet, it ain’t coming.

湖人球迷：呃，威少和欧文连阿杜的尾灯都看不到，可他俩更具声量。

阿杜去勇士就是为了不当老大。当然了，他在场上是最佳选择，而且只要他还能打，也许一直是场上的最强选择。可如果他没法磨炼出那种领袖能力，那他永远都没法带队夺冠，更别说多次夺冠。

他已经32了，如果身上还没那种领袖气质，那就不会有了。

[–]Lakers LOVEGOD77 18 指標 1 天前

I love how the basketball community is preying on the Nets downfall. (I actually want them to make the finals now)

湖人球迷：就喜欢大家都盼着篮网崩溃的样子。（其实我现在挺希望他们明年打进总决赛的）

[–]Magic EmperorKyoka 15 指標 1 天前

If either of those guys come back at 100% its trouble for the east. I swear people have goldfish memory.

魔术球迷：但凡阿杜和欧文有一个能恢复满血状态，那东部就麻烦了。到时候大家肯定是金鱼记忆。

[–]Raptors WickedWorld91 35 指標 1 天前

They definitely think they're going to walk all over the East. But man, Bucks, Celtics, Raptors, Heat, and maybe the Sixers if they can figure it out, I would definitely bet the Nets will get knocked out in the second round by one of these teams.

猛龙球迷：欧文和阿杜肯定觉得篮网可以碾压东部啊。可是呢，还有雄鹿、凯尔特人、猛龙、热火啊，或许有76人（前提是能拨乱反正），我绝对愿意打赌篮网下赛季会在季后赛第二轮被以上球队之一淘汰。

[–]meertatt 16 指標 1 天前

for some reason I feel like the bucks are going to make a move for Chris Paul. If they can somehow make Chis Paul, Giannis and Middleton work they will legit be favorites. I dont know the cap situation for the Bucks so im sure it would be too complicated to take on that salary but damn it feels like a good fit. If that happens the Nets can kiss any chance of getting to the finals goodbye

不知咋回事，我就觉得雄鹿会追求保罗。如果保罗、字母哥和米德尔顿能擦出火花，那雄鹿真就成夺冠热门了。雄鹿的薪资状况咋样我还不清楚，情况应该会很复杂，不过这个组合太特么合适了。如果真成了，那篮网可以和进入决赛的任何机会说拜拜了。

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[–][BRK] Brook Lopez dgarrad 477 指標 1 天前

Technically he's correct IMO. Steph made that teams entire system work, without him the team does not work. That being said KD took them over an edge we've never seen before. Steph was the driver but KD was the dude telling him where to turn.

篮网球迷：严格来说，我觉得巴克利说得没错。库里是让那支勇士整个体系运转起来的人，没有他的话球队运转不畅。话虽如此，阿杜也让勇士对其他球队的优势大到了前所未见的地步。库里是司机，不过阿杜是那个告诉他往哪儿开的人。

[–]Young Man891 42 指標 1 天前

Steph WAS the bus. KD was the driver

库里是大巴，阿杜是司机。

[–]Heat Doesthisevenmatter7 38 指標 1 天前

Are we still debating this I thought it was pretty much known that KD was the best player but Steph was the most important.

热火球迷：难道这还有得争吗？早就很明显了啊，阿杜之前是勇士的最强点，但库里是最重要的。

[–]45MJ23 17 指標 1 天前

Steph was the most valuable and impactful player of the team, and that's why he's the best player on the team. He already showed it in the '16 WCFs.

库里是最有价值且最有影响力的，所以他才是那支勇士的最强点。他在16年西决已经展现过了。

[–]Bulls ClaymoresRevenge 174 指標 1 天前

It really doesn't matter not every player needs to be the leader. If they show up when it counts then it doesn't matter.

公牛球迷：司机、乘客啥的真没啥，又不是每个球员都得做领袖。如果有这个特质，那倒不错，不然就没关系啊。

[–]Timberwolves DuBakElite 105 指標 1 天前

Except KD isn’t “every player”. He’s going to be held to a higher standard

森林狼球迷：可你阿杜不是“每个球员”啊。大家自然是要以更高的标准要求他。

[–][MEM] Marc Gasol KBDog67 59 指標 1 天前

Except KD was playing the best with the best stats on that team. He did what he needed to do. Only reason this narrative is still alive is because KD took the easy way out.

灰熊球迷：可阿杜是那支勇士数据最好打得最好的人啊。他做了自己需要做的。之所以“乘客说”这种论调到今天仍然大行其道，仅仅是因为阿杜当初选择了容易的路。

[–]Cavaliers FuriousXV 14 指標 1 天前

I think that what he did in OKC doesnt matter to the point Charles is making, from what I understood he's talking about players that were/are leaders on championship teams, and KD wasn't.

骑士球迷：我觉得阿杜在雷霆的成就和巴克利想要表达的观点没有任何关系，就我所理解的，巴克利指的是冠军球队的领袖，而阿杜不是。

[–]Raptors ThaNorth 148 指標 1 天前

Why are people so obsessed with players not being leaders? Who gives a fuck, lol. Not everyone is natural born leader.

猛龙球迷：球员是不是领袖，你们干嘛要抓着不放呢？谁在乎啊，哈哈。又不是人人生来就是领袖。

[–]Never BeNumber2 37 指標 1 天前

He could of joined anyone else made his own team teaming up but he went to a team in back to back finals winning one (should of won 2 but we won't get into that) they had a dynasty already forming

他本可以加盟其他任何球队自己组队，可他加盟了一支差点两连冠的强队，人家的王朝早就初具雏形了。

[–]Supersonics allmyaccsarebanned 42 指標 1 天前

No way to be so sure it is a dynasty without KD. 2015 vs an injured cavs team, then the all time choke, and then a grudge match with a 2017 cavs team that still had kyrie and could have beat the 2017 warriors without KD.

超音速球迷：要是没有阿杜，勇士的王朝绝不可能那么稳。15年勇士打得是一支残阵骑士，下一年又是历史级拉胯，接下来又遇到了那支仍然有欧文的死对头骑士，要是没有阿杜，骑士是可以战胜17勇士的。

[–]Warriors SideOfHashBrowns 19 指標 1 天前

You are right but this take stings me since the main reason for warrior hate after the kd signing was that it was such an un needed move since they already had the league on lock.

勇士球迷：你说的没错，可我也不爽啊，毕竟阿杜加盟之后大家喷我勇的主要观点就是，我勇在那之前就已经在联盟横行无阻了，引进阿杜毫无必要。

[–]Heat DydoDeChamp 30 指標 1 天前

I think this is what has left everyone, warriors fans and haters, unsatisfied.

Warriors fans think Steph could've come back, proved he's the best player in the league, and won another title or two, probably a FMVP as well.

Warriors haters think Lebron would've won another ring or two and challenege MJ by putting a 3 peat on his resume.

Both 2015 and 16 had injuries that made it unclear who was the better team and arguably who was the better player.

We never got to determine who was the better of the two teams. We never got the final head to head of Curry vs Lebron.

That's why I'll never forgive KD. 2017 could've been the greatest finals series in NBA history.

热火球迷：所以勇蜜和喷子都不满意啊。

勇蜜觉得要是阿杜没来，库里还能强势回归，证明自己是联盟最强，再拿一两个冠军，或许还有FMVP。

勇黑觉得要是阿杜没去，詹姆斯就能多拿一两个冠军，从而挑战乔丹的三连冠。

15和16年的勇士和骑士都有伤病，哪个队更强就没那么明了，当时的库里和詹姆斯谁更强也不清楚。

咱们从来都没机会去决定他俩谁更好，从来都没机会看到库里和老詹最终的硬碰硬。

所以我永远都不会原谅阿杜。17年总决赛本有可能是NBA史上最伟大的总决赛。

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