【键盘侠】东契奇三分不如威少|说他是MVP热门是否为时尚早？
Luka Doncic is shooting much worse than Westbrook from 3 on nearly 3 more attempts. Doncic is at 7.2 attempts per game shooting 28% while Westbrook is at 4.4 attempts per game shooting 33%
东契奇本赛季至今的场均三分出手（今日比赛之前）比威少多了将近三个，但是他的准度差多了。东契奇场均出手三分7.2次，命中率28%，而威少场均出手4.4次，命中率33%。
It’s surprising that Carlisle is letting Doncic shoot this much when he’s a truly awful 3 point shooter. On the other side, the way Westbrook has shot is a surprise? 33% isn’t a great 3P% but it barely below league average and better than Victor Oladipo too.
奇怪的是，卡莱尔明知道东契奇确实是个稀烂的三分投手，可他还是任由东契奇狂扔。另一方面，威少33%的三分命中率虽说也不算很好，但也就比联盟平均水平低那么一丢丢，而且这个命中率也比奥拉迪波好。
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[–]Pelicans Good_NewsEveryone 1484 指標 1 天前
His finishing at the rim is down from 72% to 60% as well. Mavs season has been a mess with injury and COVID but it’s mildly concerning.
鹈鹕球迷：他在篮下终结的命中率也从72%滑到了60%。由于伤病和防疫规定，本赛季的独行侠虽说是一团糟，但咱也不至于过分操心。
[–]Raptors cabbeer 542 指標 1 天前
I think losing spacing is what's hurting Luka, but I've only watched a couple games, any Mavs fans care to comment?
猛龙球迷：我觉得进攻空间的收缩影响了东契奇的发挥，不过我本赛季就看了两场独行侠比赛，有牛蜜说两句吗？
[–]Mavericks lost_in_trepidation 661 指標 1 天前
That's right. Spacing and no secondary playmaking. Luka can pass it to another player, but if they can't shoot or create a shot, it's going to turn into a wasted possession.
独行侠球迷：说得不错。就是空间收窄和没有第二组织者。东契奇可以给任何队友传球，可如果他们没法进球或者是创造出手机会，那这个进攻回合就白费了。
[–]Knicks NovaKash 483 指標 1 天前
I think the Mavs miss Curry more than they realized. Obviously Richardson has been helpful, the Mavs are much better on defense, but their success last year was built on an historically good offense.
尼克斯球迷：我觉得独行侠对小库里的思念超过了预期。没错，理查德森也能发挥作用，独行侠现在的防守好了很多，可是他们上赛季的成功是依托于历史级进攻的。
[–]Lakers sw4ggyP 171 指標 1 天前
S. Curry is no stranger when it comes to beating Western Conference teams
湖人球迷：你要说干西部球队，那库里（们）可太懂了==
[–]Trail Blazers notgarrykasparov 323 指標 1 天前
Yo the same thing happened to Portland after the 2019 WCF trip. Curry left that offseason and the team hasnt had the bail out guard to keep their team in games since he has been gone. Both Dame and CJ feel the heightened pressure.
Its a huge compliment to Curry. That dude should be getting yearly 6th man of the year awards and getting paid 15 mil.
开拓者球迷：我们开拓者打进19年西决之后也干过这种事儿。前年休赛期小库里离队之后，我们就一直缺少一个可以和对手周旋的兜底型后卫。利拉德和CJ自那之后都感受到了更大的防守压力。
这是对小库里的极大褒奖。他应该拿到最佳第六人的头衔，而且年薪也应该是1500万。
[–]Huskies Stinky_DungBeatle 71 指標 23小時前*
And Philly right now is thriving with him there with a lot better spacing in general (though not having Horford/Embiid/Simmons death space lineups and a change in coaches helps alot as well) so there is truth to what you said.
有了小库里之后的费城现在也是打得风生水起，他们的整体空间比以前大多了（不过霍福德、恩比德和西蒙斯这套死亡空间阵容的打散和教练组的变动也是有帮助的），所以楼上说得都是事实。
[–]Doctorbigdick287 24 指標 23小時前
We looked noticably worse when he was out, and even when his shkt isnt falling he still pulls guys to the perimeter, like with that tobias game winner the other night
小库里不打的时候，就感觉我们立马就差了很多，即便他手感不好，也还是能把防守人吸引到外线，比如前晚哈里斯那个绝杀。
[–]Mavericks Blaz3dnconfuz3d 84 指標 1 天前
He’s 10000% underrated. Never causes any issues, great bball iq, great shooter, good passer
独行侠球迷：小库里被大大低估了。他从不生事，球商很高，投篮和传球都很好。
[–]Mavericks lost_in_trepidation 54 指標 1 天前
yeah I was saying that while we had him and after the trade in Philly's sub. He can do so much more on offense than just spot up shoot, and he's also one of the best spot up shooters in the league.
独行侠球迷：是啊，之前他还在我侠的时候我就说过这话，他去了费城我也去76人专区说过。他在进攻端的作用远远不只是定点投篮，而且他还是联盟最强定点射手之一。
[–]Mavericks lost_in_trepidation 62 指標 1 天前
Yes, I don't know how losing Curry has fundamentally broke our offense, but unless things change it seems like that's what happened.
独行侠球迷：对啊，我不知道库里的离开是怎样从根本上拆解我侠进攻的，但眼下来看除非情况有变，不然这差不多就是事实。
[–]Knicks kamicozzy 23 指標 1 天前
Silas too I guess
尼克斯球迷：我觉得也有塞拉斯走人的原因。
[–]Mavericks lost_in_trepidation 12 指標 1 天前
Maybe. We seem to be running the same offensive sets that we ran with Silas, but without the spacing it is awful. Maybe Silas would have made better adjustment though.
独行侠球迷：或许吧。貌似我们现在的进攻套路和塞拉斯在的时候没差啊，可是没了进攻空间就很糟糕了。也许塞拉斯能做出更好的调整吧。
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[–]Lakers so-cal_kid 59 指標 1 天前
He needs help. He literally has to create everything on offense for that team. The thing no one wants to talk about is Porzingis is just not good enough of a second star for them. Luka ends up taking bad shots because they have no other options on a lot of possessions, and he gets gassed having to go off the dribble so much.
湖人球迷：东契奇需要帮手。他在进攻端基本上啥都得干。还有一点是没人愿意说的，现在的波尔津吉斯就是不具备做二当家的能力。东契奇常常瞎扔，那是因为他很多时候都没有别的选择了，而且大量的持球突破也让他体力不支。
[–]dontpassgo 13 指標 1 天前
The problem is that he needs time after an injury to get into the groove. Then he plays up to his standards. And then gets injured again.
问题在于， 铂金每次受伤过后都需要时间去找感觉。等他好不容易打出了自己的正常水准，结果又伤了。
[–]Mavericks Elguirisueco 11 指標 20小時前
As a Real Madrid fan who has watched Luka since before the NBA, he's never been a fantastic 3- point shooter. But this season is quite bad. I would argue that he needs a lot of help too. No one else is playing well. It's horrible to watch.
独行侠球迷：作为一个从东契奇进NBA之前就在关注他的皇马球迷，我觉得他从来就不是一个出色的三分投手。不过这个赛季实在是太菜了。我也觉得他需要强力帮手。独行侠其他人没一个打得好的，都很辣眼睛。
[–]Hawks ItsJustRedditBruh 16 指標 22小時前
Imma stay out of this one cause I know he'll bounce back huge. Just like Young did after his shitty slump.
老鹰球迷：我还是不插嘴了，因为我知道东契奇会强势反弹的。就像赛季初打得稀烂的特雷-杨一样。
[–]Adidasboys 20 指標 1 天前
I saw a couple mags games recently and man his shot selection is truly horrible. Like bottom five in the league amongst all star level players. Like why does every 3 have to be hard? Why not mix in easier shots ? I can see this costing them close games if the mags become a contender. There are honestly times I feel like he can just pull up or do a Hesi and then pull-up but instead he does a dribble move into a step back
最近我看了几场独行侠的比赛，就感觉东契奇的投篮选择其实很糟糕。大概在全明星级别球员中能排进倒数前五。为啥他每个三分都投得那么艰难呢？难道就不能多投投更简单的球吗？如果独行侠成为争冠球队，我觉得东契奇的投篮选择会让球队在拉锯战中落败。有时候他明明可以直接干拔，或者是假动作之后再干拔，可他非得运几下再后撤步。
[–]Pistons AttorneyAtLion 36 指標 1 天前
He obviously doesn’t need to take this many threes but man I’m getting flashbacks from when Harden and Westbrook (when they were on separate teams) had to do this to space the floor because their supporting casts couldn’t create any offense and driving and kicking every single play is a great way to get injured.
活塞球迷：他确实没必要投这么多三分，可我想起了为了拉开进攻空间而大量扔三分的哈登和威少（他们不在同一个队的时候），因为他们的辅助阵容毫无自主进攻能力，要是每个回合都得突进去再往外分，那受伤的风险太大了。
[–]New Jersey Nets LebronJamesBurnerAcc[S] 48 指標 1 天前
Luka is a bad catch and shoot shooter too, that’s usually a good indication if volume is insanely high and percentage not super great. Harden is like a 44% on catch and shoots, and Westbrook in the best year was a extremely solid 35% in his MVP year.
篮网球迷：东契奇的接球就投准度也很差啊，不然也不至于三分产量高准度低了。哈登接球就投的准度为44%，威少MVP赛季也有35%。
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[–]76ers Royal_Scratch_2772 266 指標 1 天前
The most surprising thing here is that Russ is shooting > .300
76人球迷：最让人感到惊讶的是，威少的三分命中率居然高于30%。
[–]Pelicans Cry6ix 169 指標 1 天前
A lot of people not realising this post isnt about saying who's better its about how Westbrook gets ridiculed for shooting low % but Luka - someone who's praised and is shooting far worse - doesn't.
鹈鹕球迷：很多人都没有意识到，楼主不在乎威少和东契奇谁更准，而是想强调：大家常常嘲笑命中率低的威少，可准度差很多的东契奇却啥事儿都没，还经常被夸。
[–]Raptors RZAAMRIINF 50 指標 1 天前
Looool, Luka’s TS right now is higher than Russell’s career high.
猛龙球迷：呵呵呵呵，东契奇现在的真实命中率比威少单季最高的真实命中率还多。
[–]Pacers nailimixamt 49 指標 1 天前
Doncic TS for this season is 56.2% and Westbrook TS is 46.1%. In fact Lonzo Ball has a higher TS than Westbrook this eason. Also 33% from 3pt isn't just "barely below league average". The league average for this season from 3pt is 36.5%.
步行者球迷：东契奇本赛季的真实命中率为56.2%，威少则是46.1%。事实上，鲍尔本赛季的真实命中率也比威少高。再有，33%的三分准度可不只是比“联盟平均水平低那么一丢丢”，本赛季的联盟平均水准是36.5%。
[–]GhostOf2Sushi 7 指標 1 天前
It’s weird I’ve seen people downvoted for bringing up luka is laying bricks. In another thread when someone was talking about Westbrook shooting badly someone else mentioned luka was also bricking badly and got downvoted
也是蛮奇怪，我看到有人说东契奇打铁居然还被点踩。另一个帖子里有人说威少投篮很差，另一个人就插嘴说东契奇也很菜，结果也被点踩了。
[–][SEA] Robert Swift eat_pray_thug 695 指標 1 天前
Everyone wants to rank him as a top 3 player and MVP favorite, but he doesn't get held to those standards.
Must be nice.
超音速球迷：东契奇明明还没达到那个标准，可大家还是愿意把他排进联盟前三，还说他是MVP热门。
这种感觉肯定很爽。
[–]Cavaliers HK4sixteen 264 指標 1 天前
Because he's fucking 21 years old
骑士球迷：因为他尼玛才21岁啊==
[–]Magic Yung_Hibachi 541 指標 1 天前
Well then people should relax on guaranteeing he’ll be the MVP like they did before this season
魔术球迷：大家以后还是都冷静下，别总以为他肯定能成为MVP。这个赛季还没开始居然就有人把MVP颁给他了……
[–]Celtics TheLeoMessiah 158 指標 1 天前
Trae is 22 but this sub loves dunking on him
凯尔特人球迷：吹羊也才22啊，可是这个论坛却喜欢黑他。
[–]Broken Areos 70 指標 22小時前
So Trae can put up incredible numbers with a G league team and he gets accused of posting empty stats, but when luka puts up awful numbers it’s his teams fault?
Someone is gonna have to explain this logic to me
所以说，吹羊在一支发展联盟球队砍下高分，大家就喷他是数据刷子，可要是东契奇数据不好看，那就是队友不行？
谁来给我说说这到底是什么逻辑
[–]Rockets A_Rolling_Baneling 94 指標 23 小時前
I wonder why people hate on Trae and love Doncic... Can't even think of any obvious differences between the two of them.
火箭球迷：我也挺想知道为啥大家总是黑吹羊捧东契奇……我甚至都想不出他俩之间的任何显著区别。
[–]Mavericks NowitzkiWay 97 指標 23 小時前
It’s the hair, right?
独行侠球迷：头发？
[–]Suns cicadaenthusiat 10 指標 23 小時前
Rubio had almost the same conditions and got eaten alive early. I'm glad this isn't the case with Luka, but for whatever reason I think Luka does get a little bit of preferential treatment
太阳球迷：卢比奥刚进NBA的待遇几乎和东契奇差不多，结果早早就被反噬了。东契奇没有伤仲永我很高兴，可不管咋说，我觉得东契奇确实是有点被偏爱的。
[–][BKN] Jarrett Allen Batman_in_hiding 119 指標 1 天前
Man you guys coddle the shit out of luka. It’s ok to admit he isn’t perfect and might still need some time to perfect his game at the nba level. If he’s the front runner for mvp and a lock for top 20 all time then it’s completely fair to criticize some of his poor performances.
篮网球迷：哎，你们真是把东契奇给宠坏了。承认他不完美、还需要时间去完善自我，这有那么难吗？既然有些人觉得他是MVP竞争的领跑者，还说他肯定能进历史前20，那他打得不好的时候被批评也是很合理的啊。
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[–]Warriors technicallycorrect2 598 指標 1 天前
The excuses in this thread. Lol.
勇士球迷：这个帖子里有些人是真能洗，哈哈哈
[–]Thunder Thunderloudfan 301 指標 1 天前
Imagine if it was the other way around
雷霆球迷：如果他和威少位置互换那还得了……
[–]76ers ashbjj 40 指標 1 天前
Is Luka really 32% from 3 for his career? He's really a worse shooter than Embiid lol.
76人球迷：东契奇的生涯三分命中率真的是32%吗？那不是还不如恩比德，哈哈哈
[–]Trail Blazers correalvinicius 18 指標 1 天前
Not really. Luka takes most of his threes off the dribble while Embiid doesn't. This is the same kind of argument of when Lillard used to shoot 37% from 3 and people were like JJ REDICK is a better shooter than Dame, no he isn't, his shots are just a lot easier
开拓者球迷：不好说。东契奇大多数三分都是运球后的出手，而恩比德不是。就像之前利拉德三分命中率只有37%，大家觉得雷迪克更准一样，其实并不是，雷迪克的投篮比利拉德容易多了。
[–][WAS] Courtney Alexander heyrak 37 指標 23小時前
Your point is good but your player example is bad. J.j. reddick is one of the best 3pt shooters to ever live, who hits them with no room, moving to his right, off the catch, at insane rates and on high volume.
奇才球迷：你的观点是对的，但是例证不对。雷迪克那可是历史顶级三分手之一，不需要多大空间就接球就能扔进，而且产量高、准度强。
[–]Adidasboys 28 指標 1 天前*
32% at 8+ per game is really bad though. He’s probably the worst high volume shooter in the league.
The biggest concern I think is he said he focused on his 3 the whole summer and so far it’s worse than last year
可是东契奇生涯场均扔8个三分，只有32%的命中率确实菜啊。他也许是联盟最水的高产量投手。
最让我担心的是，他之前说去年夏天一直都在练三分，结果到现在为止，他的三分还没上赛季准。
[–][ATL] Dennis Schroder online_predator 122 指標 1 天前
Hilarious especially after most of these same fanboys would shit all over guys like WB and especially Young last season while making every excuse in the book for their golden boy.
老鹰球迷：真是搞笑，大多数饭圈篮孩一边对着威少和上赛季的特雷-杨各种嘴臭，另一边却为他们这个金童各种洗地。
[–]Pacers nailimixamt 35 指標 1 天前
Luka Doncic has a way higher TS than Westbrook does (56 vs 46)%. TS actually indicates how good someone is at scoring compared to 3pt shooting percentage.
步行者球迷：东契奇的真实命中率比威少高一大截啊。相比三分命中率，真实命中率其实更能反映球员的得分能力。
[–]DeaseanPrince 38 指標 23小時前
So? This post isn’t about TS%. He’s shooting one of the worst percentage all time for his volume lol. That’s bad no matter how many excuses y’all make.
所以呢？这个帖子又不是说真实命中率。东契奇这个命中率应该是同产量球员中的历史最菜，哈哈哈。甭管你咋找借口，他就是菜。
[–]Master Teacher123 287 指標 1 天前
Luka is a really overrated shooter
东契奇确实是个被高估的投手
[–]Mavericks Stewdabaker2013 7 指標 23 小時前
Is he overrated? Everyone knows he’s a bad 3P shooter lol
独行侠球迷：他被高估了吗？人人都知道他三分不行啊，呵呵
[–]Pacers EpicBlinkstrike187 69 指標 1 天前
I don’t particularly like the Luka hype. He’s not a great shooter. But he has the basketball IQ to pick good shot attempts quite a bit. (minus the 3’s)
If he were actually a good shooter he would be insane.
步行者球迷：我是真不喜欢那些东契奇吹。他的投篮不行，可他常常能依靠高球商创造不错的出手机会。
如果他的投篮很好，那他就不得了了。
[–]Mavericks R3DT1D3 4 指標 1 天前
Honestly Luka's done a decent job of bringing it up after a horrendous start the season. Let's check back in in a few months and see if it's still that low.
独行侠球迷：有一说一，我侠迎来一个稀烂的赛季开局之后，东契奇恢复得还是很不错的。咱们还是等一两个月再说吧，看看他这命中率是不是还这么低。
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