【键盘侠】库里两得分数据复制15/16赛季 MVP还是够呛？

In 2016, Steph Curry won the first unanimous MVP ever by scoring 30.1 ppg on an insane 66.9% TS. In 2021, Steph Curry is currently scoring 30.1 ppg on an insane 66.9% TS

15/16赛季库里首拿全票MVP，场均30.1分，真实命中率66.9%。本赛季目前为止，库里场均30.1分，真实命中率66.9%。

On a side note, there are currently only two Golden State Warriors with a positive Box Plus Minus (BPM): Steph at +7.7 and Kent Bazemore at +0.8.

As of last week, Steph ranked 7th in ESPN's early MVP rankings, with only 13 out of 100 voters placing him in the top 5.

另一方面，目前勇士队内BPM值为正的球员仅有两位：库里的+7.7和贝兹莫尔的+0.8.

就在上周，ESPN的赛季初断MVP排行榜上库里仅列第7，100名投票者里只有13人将其选进前五。

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[–]shanmustafa 5736 指標 11小時前

one big difference

league TS was .540 at the time, so steph was ahead by .129

TS now is .570, so steph is up by .099

insane still

当年和现在有个很大的区别。

当年的联盟真实命中率是54%，所以库里领先12.9%；

这赛季的联盟真实命中率是57%，所以库里领先9.9%。

不过还是很强啊

[–]Raptors sleepy416 11 指標 8小時前

If anything this shows that Curry hasn’t lost a step after KD left. Picked up right where he left off. Unfortunately he’s missing his running mate which almost every other mvp candidate has

猛龙球迷：这恰恰说明库里在阿杜离开之后并没有丝毫下滑，依然保持着当年的水准。可惜的是，目前几乎每个MVP候选人都有个副攻手，但库里却没有。

[–]Rockets jmlinden7 21 指標 9小時前

The other big difference is that MVP = best player on best team, the Warriors are no longer the best team this season like they were in 2016

火箭球迷：还有个大区别啊，MVP=最强队的最强者，现在这勇士已经不比当年了，他们本赛季可不是联盟最强队

[–]nutmegtester 6 指標 7小時前

Another big difference. Steph is double and triple teamed nonstop this season because nobody else on the floor has any gravity.

那还有个差别哦。库里本赛季一直都受到对手的包夹和三夹，因为队内其他人在场上没有任何引力。

[–]gigglios 582 指標 12小時前*

Even in 2016, the league wasnt caught up completely in the 3 pt barrage. Curry unreal though and his numbers woulda been higher in 2016 if he played more 4th qs

即便在15/16赛季，联盟也并不是遍布三分火力网。不过库里还是变态，而且如果他当年能多打打第四节，那他的数据还会更高。

[–][PDX] Paul Allen DrTom 97 指標 11小時前

And the reason for that change is largely because of Steph. Just goes to show how influential Steph has been and how deserving that unanimous mvp was.

开拓者球迷：联盟这种三分的转变主要是因为库里。这正好证明了库里的影响力之大，以及那个全票MVP的实至名归。

[–]Trail Blazers Hedo_Nurkoglu 56 指標 9小時前

2016 Steph was the greatest individual season of basketball I've ever seen. Was shocked whenever a shot didn't drop.

开拓者球迷：16库里就是我这辈子见过的最强个人单赛季表现。当年的他只要投丢，我就会觉得震惊。

[–]Warriors cubay 3634 指標 10小時前2

Look at Curry man, raises the floor of the NBA and not just his team if that’s not gravity then you can tell me the earth is round.

勇士球迷：好好看看库里吧，他不止带动了勇士，还提升了NBA的下限，如果这都不是引力的话，那你可以说地球是圆的。

[–]Lakers lalo1398 2300 指標 9小時前

Curry has to be one of the top 5 influential players in league history right? Literally changed the way the whole league plays

湖人球迷：库里绝对是联盟史上影响力前五的球员吧？他确实改变了整个联盟的打法。

[–]Warriors pikindaguy 923 指標 9小時前

Hard to say anyone is more influential than him.

Mikan paved the way for the big man era, Magic paved the way for big playmakers, Curry fundamentally changed the game for everyone. Jordan certainly influenced the NBA itself with its popularity, and rule changes, but not as much as how it it's played as Curry imo.

勇士球迷：你要找出打法影响力比他更强的球员，还真挺难的。

乔治-麦肯为内线时代奠基，魔术师为大个组织者铺路，库里从根本上为每个人都改变了比赛风格。乔丹确实也影响了NBA的人气和某些规则，但我觉得他对打法的影响不如库里。

[–]Lakers lalo1398 506 指標 9小時前

Yeah I agree, the fact that the 3 point line had been around for 30 years by the time Curry entered the league but no one knew how to use it best until he came around is telling.

湖人球迷：我同意，要知道在库里进入联盟之前，三分线在那儿都30年了，可之前却没人知道怎样最大化利用三分，直到库里的出现。

[–]Kawasaki NinjasRule 131 指標 9小時前

The Rockets were a year or two ahead of the Warriors so they deserve credit, too. Both the Dubs and the Rockets were shooting unusually high numbers of 3s before Steph really blew the lid off.

其实开风气之先的是火箭，他们比勇士还早一两年，所以火箭也功不可没啊。在库里真正“掀桌”之前，勇士和火箭就已经在反常规地狂扔三分了。

[–]Warriors Xenocidegs 169 指標 9小時前

Rockets recognized the value of basing team basketball around maxing the 3 point line and curry showed the the ceiling of what is possible from an elite volume 3 point shooter.

勇士球迷：火箭最先领悟最大化利用三分线的价值，然后库里以一个顶级高产三分神射的身份，向大家展示了这种打法的天花板。

[–]Grab_The_Inhaler 130 指標 8小時前

What makes you think he's shown the ceiling?

Curry is a freak, but there's a generation of players coming that grew up on 3-pointers as THE thing to master.

We haven't seen the ceiling yet.

你咋就知道库里展示了天花板呢？

库里确实变态，可下一代球员就是在三分为王的时代成长起来的，他们即将步入NBA。

咱们还没看到天花板呢

[–][CLE] Kevin Love quentin-coldwater 716 指標 8小時前

Curry's influence hasn't even fully been felt yet - kids who were 10 for his first MVP season will be entering the league in 3-4 years.

骑士球迷：库里的影响确实还没完全显现——他首拿MVP那个赛季，当时才10岁的孩子们如今还得等三四年才能进入联盟。

[–]kubat313 342 指標 7小時前

Thats why, sadly, i think people will catch up to his 3points made record. His firdt few seasons werent good. And the next lebron will play like steph and even with less efficiant 3pt shooting, they just need to play longer.

所以我才觉得难过啊，因为我觉得后人会赶上库里的三分纪录，毕竟库里生涯头几个赛季投得一般般。而且下一个詹姆斯也会像库里这样打球，哪怕他们的三分投射效率不如库里，也能用更长的生涯来赶超。

[–]New Jersey Nets xxxtentacles420 119 指標 5小時前

you’re assuming LeBron doesn’t play until he’s 50 as just a spot up 3 point specialist

篮网球迷：看来你觉得老詹不会以定点三分神射的身份打到50岁哦==

[–]kubat313 72 指標 4小時前

Lmao lebrone gonna play aftrr his kid retired

哈哈哈，布朗尼退役之后，老詹才会退役。

[–]Suns TheConboy22 64 指標 4小時前

75 year old Lebron is seriously in contention for a 7th MVP. If he brings the Cleveland cavaliers back to another finals appearance after the retirement of his son.

太阳球迷：75岁的老詹还在一本正经地角逐个人第七个MVP。前提是他在布朗尼退役之后，又把骑士带进总决赛。

[–]Jazz RodgersToAdams 187 指標 6小時前

I mean hell, someone shooting like Harden has the past few years for an entire career would easily break Steph’s record. Doesn’t even need the efficiency.

爵士球迷：靠，要是有谁能像之前几年的哈登那样投完整个职业生涯，那就能轻松破掉库里的纪录，是否高效都无所谓了。

[–][CHO] Malik Monk KEMBAtheMETEOR 142 指標 5小時前

Harden himself could pass Steph. He is a year and a half younger than Steph, has been super durable in his career, and as of today is less than one season's worth of 3s behind Steph (243)

黄蜂球迷：哈登自己都有可能超越库里。他比库里小一岁半，而且又耐操得很，目前为止他投进的三分也就比库里（243）少一个赛季。

[–]Warriors GandhiCut 75 指標 5小時前

Very true, but I wonder if Harden's team situation will slow him down going forward. Seems unlikely he averages double-digit attempts for an entire season again like he did 2017-2020. Especially if he continues with a Nets-like supporting cast

勇士球迷：很有道理，不过我倒想知道哈登现在的环境是否会让他减缓扔三分的节奏。貌似他现在没法像之前三个赛季那样，整个赛季场均出手20次以上。何况现在的他还打算在篮网打辅助。

[–]savemeasliceplease 302 指標 5小時前

His career trajectory is insane. Went from paper mache ankle who might be on his way out before long to multiple rings, mvp, best shooter in history with plenty of time left.

库里的生涯轨迹很神奇啊。最开始的时候，他可能一不小心就会被那个纸糊的脚踝送出联盟，结果他打了这么久，戒指和MVP都没少拿，并且早早就确立了自己历史最强投手的地位。

[–]Timberwolves timberwolvesguy 203 指標 5小時前

Thankfully the Wolves passed on him or we’d never see this form of Steph.

森林狼球迷：幸亏我狼当年选秀时跳过他，不然咱们肯定见不到现在这个库里。

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[–]76ers Doctor-Jay 1688 指標 12小時前

Insane how great he's been this year and yet he's not even in the top 3 for MVP odds at the moment. So many players popping off this year.

Regardless, it's awesome as a fan seeing Steph popping off again, I hope he keeps it up and the Warriors make the playoffs so he can go nuclear.

76人球迷：他这赛季已经这么强了，居然还不是目前的MVP前三候选，太可怕了。本赛季有好多球员爆发了。

不管咋说，作为球迷，能看到库里再次爆发还是很爽的。希望他不要停，也希望勇士能进季后赛让库里开启核爆模式。

[–]Raptors -anunoby-got-it-off- 1271 指標 12小時前

Just shows how MVP is a team award as much as an individual one

猛龙球迷：这正好证明MVP是个团队和个人一样重要的奖项。

[–]Pearls B4Swoon 693 指標 11小時前

Id say it’s even more of a team award than an individual.

Consensus here seems to be that if you’re not on a top 3 seeded team you aren’t eligible for MVP. That cuts about 80% of players out of race before you even consider individual performance lol

我觉得球队占比要大于个人。

貌似这里的共识就是，如果你的球队不在前三，那你就没资格拿MVP。还没等你开始考虑球员的个人表现呢，就已经把80%的竞争者剔除了。

[–]Kebab-King 11 指標 7小時前

It's not just consensus on here its literally how it is. Someone looked at the numbers here a few days ago and 16 of the last 21 MVPs were from a 1 seed, 4 from the 2 seed. The single outlier was Westbrook.

不是共识不共识的事儿，本来就是这个道理啊。你去看看前几天列出的数据就知道了，过去21年的MVP里有16个是来自榜首球队，有4个来自第二。唯一的例外就是威少。

[–]Raptors LemmingPractice[S] 461 指標 11小時前

I don't know. That perspective seems to change from year to year, seemingly based on who the media wants to win. Remember how Steph and KD were basically excluded from MVP consideration for three years (neither one was an MVP finalist over that stretch) because their team was too good?

So, Steph couldn't win then because his team was too good. Now, he's excluded from the conversation because his team is too bad.

猛龙球迷：不一定哦。观点貌似在年年变，据说是依据媒体的喜好而定。不要忘了，库里和阿杜当初差不多有三年不被纳入MVP考虑范围之内，不就是因为那支勇士太强？所以呢，当初的库里因为球队太强而拿不到MVP，现在的库里因为球队太菜而被排除在范围之外。

[–]Lakers illwill3 34 指標 10小時前

But aren’t wins the most “valuable” thing you can provide to your team? Not saying it should be the #1 factor but winning definitely does need to be heavily factored into the MVP convo

湖人球迷：可是胜场不就是球员能给球队提供的最有“价值”的东西吗？虽不是首要因素，但讨论MVP时，胜场肯定会占据很大比重的。

[–]Pearls B4Swoon 69 指標 10小時前

Well yeah, obviously. I think Steph has “added” more wins to the Warriors than any other player has to their team though. These Warriors would legit probably be around 5-23 without him.

They were a bad supporting cast to start the season, and that was before all 3 bigs on the roster went down. Without Stephs insanely efficient 30 every night they’d be in huge, huge trouble.

可不是嘛，这很明显啊。不过我觉得库里对勇士胜场的“加持”比其他任何球员对自己球队的加持都大。要是没有库里，这支勇士很可能5胜23负。

他们开赛的辅助阵容就很菜，之后连队里的三个内线都倒下了。要是没有库里这每晚高效到离谱的30分，那勇士就有大麻烦咯。

[–]Nuggets The_Taskmaker[ ] 46 指標 9小時前

I think Jokic is neck and neck with Steph on wins added. The Nuggets are absolute trash without him in there.

掘金球迷：你要说胜场加持，那我觉得约基奇不输库里。没有约基奇的我掘，绝对是垃圾。

[–]ArtThen 127 指標 10小時前

He's not getting MVP, but he better get that First Team All-NBA nod or the league isn't putting any respeck on his name.

库里拿不到MVP的，可联盟最好让他进最佳阵一阵，不然就是不尊重库里。

[–][TOR] Tracy McGrady s4ntana 35 指標 10小時前

I think he'll get it at this rate.

Harden, Lillard, Beal, Irving would be the contenders, and Curry is likely top 2 out of that group right now.

猛龙球迷：我觉得库里进最佳阵一阵还是没问题的。

哈登、利拉德、比尔、欧文会是他的竞争者。而现在的库里很可能是这些人里的前二。

[–]Warriors Johnpecan 15 指標 10小時前

It will be interesting to see how AD's injury might effect LBJ's MVP run.

勇士球迷：我倒挺想看看戴维斯的伤势会对詹姆斯的MVP冲刺造成怎样的影响。

[–]Mavericks Albreitx 30 指標 9小時前

If they get the first seed he's the favorite

独行侠球迷：如果湖人最后拿到西部第一，那老詹就是大热。

[–]Mavericks saltywings 28 指標 8小時前

Or even staying at the 2 with the Jazz at 1 imo. Because like, the Jazz you aren't giving any of those guys MVP, Clarkson is for SURE the 6th man at the moment but the team is just playing great ball with no clear best player.

独行侠球迷：要是爵士第一，湖人拿第二也行啊。因为爵士也没啥MVP人选，克拉克森是目前的最佳第六人，但这支爵士就是在没有突出最强点的情况下人人奋勇。

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[–]Heat teardrop82 5 指標 4小時前

Curry is hands down the MVP this year. If you take him off the Warriors they are a garbage lottery team. Easily one on the bottom 3 teams without him.

热火球迷：库里就是本赛季妥妥的MVP啊。如果你拿掉库里，那勇士就是一支垃圾乐透球队，倒数前三稳稳的。

[–]Warriors akelkar 277 指標 10小時前

This is without Klay, a worse bench than in 2016 and with the league caught up to the 3 point era and teams that know how to defend against him better

I think this level of play is more impressive than 2016 tbh

勇士球迷：这还没有克莱呢，板凳实力比2016年差，而且如今全联盟都紧跟三分潮流，各队都很清楚怎样防库里。

说实话，我觉得库里目前的表现比2016年更难得。

[–]Warriors DunkFaceKilla 227 指標 9小時前

Warriors are currently a top 10 team standings wise, and are only 2.5 games out from being top 5. West is a bloodbath, but Warriors would be a top 3 seed easily if they played in the east.

勇士球迷：勇士目前排在联盟前十，离前五就差2.5个胜场。西部简直是杀戮战场，可勇士要是在东部的话，那就轻松进前三。

[–]Peter PiedParker 107 指標 8小時前

The Warriors would not finish with a better record than the 6ers, Bucks, or Nets if they were out East.

The top 3 in the East is easily better than this Warriors team.

就算在东部，勇士的战绩也不可能比76人、雄鹿和篮网好。

东部前三绝对比现在的勇士强。

[–]Spurs moltch 127 指標 11小時前

with the james harden precedent Curry could average 40 and still not win it.

马刺球迷：有哈登的先例，库里本赛季就算场均40分也拿不到MVP

[–]Warriors KanyeWest_GayFish 63 指標 11小時前

Well steph averages HALF of harden's fts per game. voters hate guys who bait fouls more than they love high scoring guys

勇士球迷：库里本赛季的场均罚球只有哈登当年的一半。投票人确实偏好高得分球员，但是他们更反感那些造犯规的。

[–]Spurs moltch 26 指標 10小時前

I thought MJ averaged roughly the same free throws per game and FT% rate as Harden when MJ was winning his MVPs? Haven't people done analyses showing Harden's free throws relative to his number of drives isn't that far off from other players?

马刺球迷：那我可记得，乔丹当年拿MVP的赛季场均罚球基本和哈登一样吧？不是有人分析过吗？哈登的罚球数和突破数比重和其他人相差并不多。

[–]San Francisco Warriors Azee2k 5 指標 9小時前

MJ definitely did get favourable calls as the league's face, but he was constantly near the basket going for acrobat layups and shit, he never really baited for fouls.

勇士球迷：乔丹当年作为联盟门面，肯定是受到照顾的，可他也在不断冲击篮下花式得分啊，他还真没咋刻意造犯规。

[–]Warriors KanyeWest_GayFish 46 指標 9小時前

When Jordan won his MVPs, he averaged 10.5, 7.2, 7.0, 8.0, and 8.8 FTAs per game.

When Harden won his single MVP, he averaged 10.1 FTAs per game. Between 2014/2015 and 2019/2020, he had 10.2, 10.2, 10.9, 10.2, 11.0, and 11.8 FTAs per game.

勇士球迷：乔丹拿MVP的那些赛季，场均罚球分别是10.5、7.2、7、8和8.8.

哈登拿MVP那个赛季，他场均10.1次罚球。14/15赛季到19/20赛季，他场均罚球分别是10.2、10.2、10.9、10.2、11和11.8次。

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[–]LilQuarantino 14 指標 9小時前

Steph should be in the top 5 MVP conversation without a doubt. Others have been having breakout years, but in terms of efficiency and overall team comparisons Steph is playing amazingly.

毫无疑问，库里就该进入MVP前五讨论范围。其他候选人本赛季都有突破，可是就效率和球队整体实力比较而言，库里打得相当惊艳。

[–]Celtics TatumBrownSmart 148 指標 12小時前

Still the 2nd best player in the NBA in my book. The team around him is just dramatically worse.

凯尔特人球迷：我觉得他依然是联盟第二强的球员。他所在的球队实在是比其他人差太多了。

[–]76ers allinasecond 80 指標 9小時前

Most VALUABLE Player.

76人球迷：既然是MVP，那就该给最有“价值”球员。

[–]etr4807 137 指標 9小時前

Then the award would have gone to LeBron literally every single year he was in Cleveland

那老詹在克利夫兰每年都能拿奖。

[–]timbbooooslice 22 指標 9小時前

thats where the all NBA team awards come in. Record has always been a HUGE factor for MVP; it also does make sense, if your the mvp of the league, your team should be great.

Right now, steph no doubt should be 1st team all nba

这就突出赛季最佳阵的重要性了。MVP评选必然是绕不开球队战绩这个重要因素的，也说得过去，如果你是联盟MVP，那你的球队就该很强。

就现在来说，库里肯定能进入赛季最佳阵一阵。

[–]Warriors untouchable765 551 指標 12小時前

God I hope Steph plays until he is 40. League won't be the same without him.

勇士球迷：好希望库里能打到40岁啊。要是没有他，联盟就不一样了。

[–]kellojellomelo 287 指標 11小時前

40 is a stretch. But if anything, Steph can reinvent himself as a spot up shooter. He’s already great at running off screens and setting them.

Sort of like a better version of his bro, Seth? But Seth is really good at it too.

40岁太夸张了。除非库里能把自己改造成一个定点投手。他已经很擅长跑掩护和做墙了。

是不是有点像更强版本的塞斯-库里？不过塞斯也确实很强。

[–]76ers allinasecond 22 指標 9小時前

bruh without injuries Curry can play until 40 being efficient. Easily. He is Korver on steroids on steroids on steroids on steroids.

76人球迷：假如没有伤病，库里可以很高效地打到40岁，简单得很。他就是无限加强版的科沃尔。

[–]ArtThen 33 指標 11小時前

If Steph can keep his stamina and ability to run around the court as much as he does, he can play to 38-40. He's too good a shooter to not have a roster spot.

如果库里能维持体能和满场飞奔的能力，那他能打到38到40岁。他的投射太强了，不至于在联盟捞不到一个位置。

[–][PDX] Paul Allen DrTom 369 指標 11小時前

Reggie Miller played until 39. Ray Allen played until 38 and could have kept going. Nash played until 39. John Stockton played until 40. Nash probably had even more injury issues, too. Given that Steph is better than all of them, and particularly better at shooting, I say he has a damn good shot (so to speak).

开拓者球迷：雷吉-米勒打到39岁了。雷-阿伦打到38岁还有油。纳什打到39岁。斯托克顿打到40岁。纳什当初也许伤病还更多些。既然库里比这些前辈都强，尤其是投射能力，那我觉得他尼玛很可能会打到40岁。

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编译：云长刮个痧