【键盘侠】保罗就是“迷你詹”？|如果当年那笔交易成了……
When Chris Paul goes to a new team, that team gets better. Hornets (0.220 W% to 0.463 W%) Clippers (0.390 W% to 0.606 W%) Rockets (0.671 W% to 0.793 W%) OKC (0.598 W% to 0.611 W%) Phoenix Suns (0.466 W% to 0.720 W%)
克里斯-保罗加入一支新球队之后，该队的战绩就会变好。加入黄蜂前胜率22%，加入后高达46.3%；加入快船前胜率39%，加入后高达60.6%；加入火箭前胜率67.1%，加入后提升至79.3%；加入雷霆前胜率59.8%，加入后提升至61.1%；加入太阳前胜率46.6%，加入后提升至72%。
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[–]faithdies 1936 指標 13小時前
Yeah, he's a HOFer and one of the best pure PG's ever.
是啊，他以后必进名人堂，而且还是史上最强的纯控卫之一。
[–]NoLivesEverMattered 47 指標 8小時前
And CP3 is even underrated a little. Amazing that he is keeping this up in his mid 30s.
保罗甚至还有点被低估。厉害的是，他打到三十五六岁居然还能这么猛。
[–]Nets AlmostCurvy 307 指標 8小時前
I wouldn't be mad at people ranking him top 5 all time pg
篮网球迷：要是有人把他排进历史前五控卫，我也觉得没毛病。
[–]Raptors cooldudeman007 98 指標 6小時前
I would be mad at anyone that didn’t have him top 5
猛龙球迷：要是有人觉得他不算历史前五控卫，我也觉得没毛病。
[–]Force OfChill 31 指標 4小時前*
Magic, Stockton, Oscar, steph, Isiah. Then it’s a toss up for kidd/nash/Paul
魔术师、斯托克顿、罗伯逊、库里、伊塞亚-托马斯，然后就是基德、纳什和保罗爱谁谁。
[–]Nuggets Betaateb 33 指標 4小時前
Full body of work you have to put Paul above Nash. Nash had an absolutely crazy stretch of stellar play, but it took him 6+ years in the league to reach that level. CP3 was competitive with prime Nash a year after joining the league.
Nash is an all time great, don't get me wrong, but in any list you pretty much have to put CP3 above him(if only slightly). Nash had his MVP seasons, which CP3 never had, but he benefitted by getting his MVPs before prime LeBron. MVP in 2005 and MVP in 2012(picked that year since it was the Derrick Rose LeBron combo breaker) are very different beasts, imo.
掘金球迷：保罗必须得在纳什前边儿。纳什的顶级表现确实很强，但他也是在联盟磨炼6年之后才达到这个水准的。保罗进入联盟之后仅一年就和巅峰期纳什形成了竞争。
别曲解我的意思，纳什肯定是历史级强者，但甭管是哪种榜单，保罗必须得在纳什前边（哪怕只是略胜一丢丢）。纳什拿过MVP，这是保罗从未有过的，但我觉得纳什能拿MVP还是占了詹姆斯没到巅峰期的便宜。05年的MVP和12年（詹姆斯、罗斯双骄并立）的MVP还是差别很大的。
[–]howyoureellyfeel 14 指標 3小時前
Ehh you could really go either way I don't think it's fair to say you have to put Paul over Nash. I agree about the MVPs, 2005 didn't have nearly the competition for MVP that CP3 faced in his best seasons. But that Suns offense was so so good because of Nash. Not downplaying D'Antonis coaching or any of the supporting cast but man Steve Nash ran that offense to perfection. Yeah Paul has longevity in terms of his elite seasons, of but Nash still averaged 11 assists until he was 38 and even then it was because of injuries that he didn't. Not to mention he averaged 49/43/90 for his career. That is such an insane feat, especially to be done before this modern era of efficiency. I wouldn't fight with someone putting CP3 over Steve Nash, but I don't think you can definitively call it either way.
呃，这还真没那么绝对，我觉得非得把保罗排在纳什之上是不合理的。你关于MVP部分的论述我赞同，05年的竞争确实和保罗最强赛季所面临的竞争差很多。可是当年的那支太阳正是因为纳什的存在而变得如此之出色啊。我不是在抹杀德安东尼和太阳其他球员的贡献，可是纳什当时对进攻的支配实在是太完美了。没错，保罗巅峰期的延续性更持久，但纳什到了38岁依然有场均11次的助攻，更何况他整个职业生涯的三项命中分别是49%、43%和90%。这是一项极其卓越的成就，而且这还是在如今这个讲究效率的时代之前做到的。我不会和那些觉得保罗比纳什强的人争论，但我觉得这不能绝对化。
[–]Gran Destino loudanduneducated 142 指標 8小時前
Honestly I would have a tough time saying/agreeing with Steve Nash over Chris Paul.
Watched both of their careers, and CP3 brought more overall to the table IMO. I would have him over Stockton too. Probably in the 3-4 range
讲真，要说纳什比保罗强，我还真挺难认同的。
看看他俩职业生涯表现就知道了，我觉得保罗的整体贡献更多。我甚至觉得他还在斯托克顿前面，或许能排到历史第三第四。
[–]lockethe1 31 指標 7小時前
Over Stockton? Cmon now. Go look up videos of the original Isiah Thomas talking about Stockton, or Steve Kerr. Chris Paul is amazing and the best pure PG of this era but Stockton is a top 3 all time.
在斯托克顿前面？得了吧。你去看看早期托马斯或科尔评价斯托克顿的视频就明白了。保罗很出色，他是这个时代最强的纯控卫，但斯托克顿是历史前三的。
[–][CHI] Ben Gordon COLDCREAMYMILK 1155 指標 15小時前*2
Paul is a top 5 PG All Time in my personal rankings. Complete PG package, defense, steals, one of the greatest court visionaries ever.
EDIT: My top 5 PG's, no order: Isiah, Magic, CP3, Stockton, Curry
Honorable Mentions: Nash, AI, Kidd, Oscar, Parker.
公牛球迷：我的历史前五控卫里有保罗。他的控卫技能太全面了，还有抢断和防守，他的场上视野也是历史最强之一。
编辑：我的个人历史前五控卫：托马斯、魔术师、保罗、斯托克顿、库里（不分先后）。
荣誉提名：纳什、艾弗森、基德、罗伯逊和帕克。
[–]Bulls HumanOfTheYear2013 42 指標 7小時前
Chris Paul really should've won the MVP the year that Kobe did... This is probably a more controversial take than it should be because it was Kobe's sole MVP, but CP3 led a NOLA team to the 2 seed with Tyson Chandler and David West as his second and third options. Kobe was working with Pau, Bynum, Odom, and a pretty deep bench.
Even at the time, there was a lot of criticism that it was given to Kobe as a "lifetime achievement award" even though Paul had objectively the better season.
公牛球迷：科比得到的那个MVP真应该是保罗的……这个话题的争议性还是很大的，毕竟那是科比唯一的常规赛MVP，但那个赛季的保罗在身边二当家和三当家分别是钱德勒和韦斯特的情况下把新奥尔良带到了西部第二。而科比的帮手则是加索尔、拜纳姆、奥多姆和一套很有深度的板凳阵容。
哪怕是当年，也有很多批评说MVP颁给科比有“终身成就奖”的性质，客观来说，那个赛季保罗的表现更好。
[–]Grizzlies Lavaden 10 指標 6小時前
2008 CP3 was the best all-around pg I have seen with my own eyes. Man could do literally everything.
灰熊球迷：07/08赛季的保罗是我亲眼见过的最全能控卫，他几乎是无所不能。
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[–]blovenant 12 指標 11小時前
He’s honestly just a smaller version of Lebron honestly. Everywhere he goes he instantly makes the team better and really controls games the way Lebron does. If CP was as big as LBJ I think they would be the same player lol
保罗其实就是个小号詹姆斯。不管他去哪儿，都能立马让所在球队变强，而且他确实是像詹姆斯那样控制着比赛。如果保罗块头和詹姆斯一样，我觉得他俩应该是一样的球员，哈哈哈
[–]Bulls Kindofadbag 4 指標 9小時前
Something about calling anyone a "mini-LeBron" makes it sound like a dumb take to me, but I completely agree with it. He elevates every team he touches, no matter what. He needs to get a ring though.
公牛球迷：以前我听到谁谁谁说某个球员是“迷你勒布朗”就觉得很蠢，不过这次我完全赞同。甭管咋说，保罗去哪儿都能提升球队实力。不过他需要一个冠军。
[–]Magic EmperorKyoka 156 指標 10小時前
Probably the best modern day point guard. I view curry more as a combo guard.
魔术球迷：他也许是最强的现代控卫，库里在我看来更像是双能卫。
[–][GSW] Stephen Curry azmanz 100 指標 8小時前
Just because Kerr hates the P&R doesn't make Curry a SG. With any other coach Steph would have the time of possession as other PGs.
勇士球迷：你不能因为科尔讨厌挡拆就觉得库里是分卫啊。你换成其他任何教练，库里的持球时间都不会比其他控卫差。
[–][MIL] Malcolm Brogdon Bart_Dart 175 指標 8小時前
Steph is also like the greatest off-ball player of all time, though. I think that is a good argument for him being a combo guard. There's no right answer. He's really unique. He's not a PG or SG. He's Steph
雄鹿球迷：不过库里也是史上最强的无球者。我觉得这也是说他是双能卫的论证之一。这确实没有定论，库里真的很独特，他不是控卫也不是分卫。他就是库里。
[–]San Francisco Warriors onecrispynugget19 30 指標 8小時前
Yea he puts fear into the other team by just running around the court and never standing still without the ball.
勇士球迷：没错，库里无球是从不是站着不动的，他单靠跑动就能让对手害怕。
[–]boozinandsnoozin 7 指標 7小時前
Friendly discussion: i think curry changed the point guard position, so now point guards are more valued if they’re like curry. so if you’re talking about modern day pg, i think curry is that guy. CP3 is a great 2000s PG. That aside, if you could only choose one to be on your team, i think curry is the obvious choice.
友好讨论：我觉得库里改变了控卫位置，所以如今的控卫要是像库里的话就会更有价值。如果要讨论现代控卫的话，我觉得库里就是那个人。保罗是21世纪前十年的顶级控卫。要是让你在他俩之间只选一个加入你的主队的话，我觉得库里就是那个明显的选择。
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[–]Suns phd2k1 18 指標 10小時前
I was really on the fence because I love Rubio and Kelly Oubre, but CP3 is just on another level. So glad we got him.
太阳球迷：保罗刚加盟我日的时候我其实蛮不确定的，因为我很喜欢卢比奥和乌布雷，但保罗确实是他俩比不了的。得亏我们得到了他。
[–]jay754 437 指標 11小時前
CP3 does not get the credit he deserves. Dude has turned every franchise around.
保罗没有得到应有的认可。不管到哪儿，他都能让球队改头换面。
[–][DET] Bill Laimbeer Herrenos 119 指標 10小時前
He's got pretty good stats, but what makes him a superstar is stuff you have a hard time seeing on stat sites and highlights.
活塞球迷：他的数据很漂亮，但成就他超巨地位的，是那些你很难通过数据和集锦看出来的素质。
[–]Lakers okey_dokey_bokey 6 指標 8小時前
I don't know how anyone could doubt him after last year especially.
湖人球迷：真不知道怎么会有人质疑他，尤其是在上赛季之后。
[–]Bucks Deuce_GM 3 指標 6小時前
Imagine your life if Stern never vetoed that trade
雄鹿球迷：假如斯特恩当年没有否决那笔交易……
[–]Lakers Zepest 24 指標 9小時前
Goddamn it David Stern
湖人球迷：天杀的斯特恩