【键盘侠】绿军年轻人天赋是否被高估|这锅得各家球迷来背？

Are we overrating the Celtics young talent?

我们是不是高估了凯尔特人这帮年轻人的天赋呢？

All Summer, all everyone's been talking about is how amazing Boston's young core is. Jaylen Brown has clear all-star potential, but Jayson Tatum. Oh boy, have you heard about Jayson Tatum? Jayson Tatum is already an all-star. A lock for the hall of fame. He might already the best player on the Celtics, hell the Celtics should probably run their offense through him this year. Kyrie might even consider leaving since he wants to be the man on his team. He's not going to be the man anymore, because Jayson Tatum isn't coming... he's already here.

整个夏天，大家都在谈论波士顿的年轻核心团队有多么出色。杰伦-布朗很显然是有着全明星潜质的，那么塔图姆呢，老哥，你应该听过大家塔图姆的盛赞吧？塔图姆已经是一名全明星了，以后绝对能入选名人堂的，他或许已经是目前这支凯尔特人队里最出色的球员了。靠，凯尔特人这个赛季大概应该围绕塔图姆展开进攻体系。既然欧文想成为这支球队的大当家，那他还是考虑另谋高就吧。他没法再成为球队的门脸了，因为塔图姆可不是新来的……他早就在队里了。

10 games in... where the fuck is everyone, huh?

那么现在10场比赛打下来……那些吹捧他的人都特么去哪儿了，说啊？

Despite having solid but unremarkable regular seasons, everyone points to the fact that they showed up big time in the playoffs when it counted. But can we stop and think about what it really means to be big time in the playoffs in the Eastern Conference? An Eastern Conference that Lebron James carried these frickin' Cavaliers through by himself? That same Lebron James who might not even make the playoffs now that he's in the West?

绿军这帮年轻人上赛季常规赛的表现虽然可靠但还称不上惊艳吧，但是人人都认定了他们在季后赛这种关键时刻所展现出的风采。可是咱们能先冷静下来，想想到底东部季后赛的关键时刻意味着什么吗？是指詹姆斯凭一己之力扛着他么的骑士队杀出重围的东部吗？是那个如今到了西部却可能没法进入季后赛的詹姆斯吗？

The Celtics played a Milwaukee Bucks squad being by an absolutely horrible coach in Jason Kidd, a young and inexperienced group in the 76ers, and a Cleveland Cavaliers squad that, without Lebron James, is far and away the worst team in basketball. Maybe, just maybe, they got to feast on three teams that they matched up well against, and that made them look better than they really are? And maybe, just maybe, now that they're up against regular competition again, they're regressing back to what they actually are, which is good young players with amazing potential but are still inconsistent because they're young and inexperienced?

凯尔特人上赛季季后赛面对的是哪些对手呢？是被杰森-基德这个绝对菜鸡的教练拖累的密尔沃基雄鹿，是年轻又缺乏经验的76人，是没了詹姆斯就沦落到联盟最烂球队的骑士。或许，仅仅是或许啊，凯尔特人很享受与这三支队旗鼓相当大战一场的畅快感，那这就能让他们觉得自己比实际的实力要强了吗？再或许，也仅仅是或许，他们如今又回到了常规赛的竞争当中，也再度回到了真实的水平上，那些天赋异禀却仍然欠缺稳定性的年轻人就因为他们还年轻且缺乏经验，那他们还真的称得上优秀吗？

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[–][MIA] Dwyane Wade InPatRileyWeTrust 1006 points 14 hours ago

Young talent is overrated in general and every fanbase is guilty of it.

韦德球迷：有天赋的年轻人一般都会被高估，每个球队的球迷都得背锅。

[–]Jesusmanduke 275 points 9 hours ago

The hype on Tatum this offseason was overly outrageous though

不过夏天的休赛期大家对塔图姆的吹捧真的是太过了。

[–]timski9000 189 points 9 hours ago

Copped an 88 on 2k too right? That’s wild

2K值还到了88对吧？这真的要疯啊。

[–][PHI] Ben Simmons bensimmonsismydaddy 89 points 8 hours ago

87 i think. He has the same as ben simmons which is dumb, and 6 points higher than dario saric who had similar stat lines.

本-席梦思球迷：我记得是87吧，他的能力值和本-西蒙斯一样，这评分太蠢了。他俩居然比个人数据相差无几的萨里奇还高6分。

[–][DET] Darvin Ham youngsixnine 62 points 8 hours ago

pretty sure it was higher than blake griffin, too. just egregious.

活塞球迷：我很确信他俩的分数居然比格里芬还高。不正常。

[–][TOR] Pascal Siakam mazzboy 91 points 7 hours ago

Higher than Blake, Kemba, Horford, Lowry, etc. Legit proven All stars are apparently worse than a kid that had a pretty good playoff run

西亚卡姆球迷：比格里芬、沃克、霍福德和洛瑞等人都高。这些已经证明过自己实力的全明星球员居然还不如一个季后赛大放异彩的小孩。

[–]Lakers Notclevr 46 points 8 hours ago

A lot of people only watched the playoffs.

湖人球迷：很多人只看了季后赛。

[–][MIA] Joel Anthony redditsucks9gagrules 141 points 8 hours ago

That's what happens when you f***king boom Lebron tho

热火球迷：当你在场上硬刚了勒布朗之后，你的评分就可以这么高。

[–]Raptors crespire 667 points 10 hours ago

Pascal Siakam tho.

猛龙球迷：咱们的西亚卡姆也被高估了吧。

[–]BeerFunnel 278 points 9 hours ago

He is the future of the league. No bias though

公平地讲，他是联盟的未来。

[–]76ers IVAN_CLEARY 47 points 7 hours ago

Can you say GOAT?

76人球迷：能说是史上最佳吗？

[–]Bulls Tankwagonshiteymate 15 points 8 hours ago

I feel like bulls fans are always kind of wary of overrating their young guys

We're just scared to be disappointed I guess lol even though relatively speaking we're pretty good at drafting

公牛球迷：我感觉咱们公牛球迷一般不大吹自己的年轻人，都很谨慎。

我觉得我们就是害怕失望，不过相对而言，咱们的选秀向来还是蛮不错的，哈哈哈。

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[–][LAL] Brandon Ingram meengine 964 points 17 hours ago

Young talent in general is really overrated in the NBA. NBA fans rate young players more about what they ideally can be than what they actually are right now. They are always assuming the young talent will improve consistently year by year under ideal circumstances.

英格拉姆球迷：大体而言，年轻人的天赋在NBA都是被高估的。NBA球迷对年轻人进行评价时更多地是依据他们今后理想的发展前景，而并非他们当下真正的实力。在某种理想化的设定下，大家总是觉得有天赋的年轻人会年复一年地持续进步。

[–]Suns Bows_N_Hoes 546 points 17 hours ago

I blame 2k where players do naturally progress to an assumed peak.

Real world doesn’t work that way.

太阳球迷：这锅2K得背啊，毕竟游戏里的球员都能自然而然地走向既定的巅峰。

现实世界则没有这么顺畅了。

[–]Partaking 679 points 17 hours ago

I am tripping so hard right now. I can swear I saw this exact comment chain on another thread earlier today.

是我特么眼花了吗。我发誓，我今儿在另一个帖子上看到了上面这两条一毛一样的评论。

[–]NBA kaushalt18 313 points 16 hours ago

No, you guys aren't tripping. Here.

不，你没眼花。之前湖人年轻人的帖子里有人说过。

[–]Heat walldotfm 302 points 17 hours ago

I picked them to come out of the East, and while they have been disappointing so far, I usually start judging at around 20-30 games, so it's still a little too early. The 'young' talent are still young afterall, and one thing that young players have always lacked in consistency, so guys like Taytum and Brown have to find it first. Sure it did not help that the playoff run they had last season + the media increased the pressure on expectations, especially with LeBron heading West, but its still early days.

热火球迷：在东部我还是蛮看好凯尔特人这帮年轻人的，虽说他们这个赛季目前为止有点让人失望，但是我一般在打了二三十场比赛过后才做评价，所以现在还为时尚早。毕竟这些有天赋的“年轻人”仍然年轻，而且年轻人总是欠缺稳定性的嘛，所以像塔图姆和布朗这种球员首先得找到稳定性。他们上赛季季后赛中的神勇，媒体期望致使压力的增加，特别是勒布朗去到西部之后，这些当然是没法帮助到这些年轻人的。

[–][BOS] Jaylen Brown gbeckwith 131 points 10 hours ago

As of now the Raptors are the best team in the East. However, they needed to replace one star with another. We need to work Hayward in and Kyrie was out for months. If this continues, we're clear cut not the best team, but if we gel we have one hell of a ceiling.

布朗球迷：现在来看，猛龙是东部最强的球队。可是呢，他们夏天也是必须要用一个球星换来另一个球星才走到这一步的。我们得让海沃德融入进来，而且欧文也缺席了几个月。如果目前的局面继续下去，那我们肯定没法成为最强球队，可如果我们磨合好了，那特么就能触摸天花板了。

[–]Celtics fdahood 94 points 9 hours ago

I'm not worried yet. We are still picking up steam, despite last nights loss.

Edit: Tatum needs to chill with that stupid contested mid-ranger though.

凯尔特人球迷：我还不担心，虽说昨晚输给掘金了，但我们仍在提升速度和实力的过程中。

编辑：但是塔图姆得在有对抗的情况下少投点那些愚蠢的中距离了。

[–]ArenSteele 50 points 8 hours ago

But Kobe said to take that shot!

可是科比说过，只管投啊！

[–]poopfeast180 237 points 17 hours ago

nah i think their offense needs to be tweaked and some role players reduced to actual role player specialist duties rather than playing the same way their stars play.

不，我觉得凯尔特人的进攻要做一点微调。某些角色球员得做好自己角色球员的真正本分，而不是和当家球星抢戏。

[–]Heat walldotfm 144 points 17 hours ago

i agree with this. Stevens is a great coach but the minutes distribution is a little odd..

热火球迷：这个我赞同。史蒂文斯教练非常优秀，但是他在队员场上时间的安排上有点怪异。

[–]poopfeast180 70 points 17 hours ago

the belief is that by giving everyone equal opportunity and sharing the ball every time they can also motivate people to be engaged on the other end of the floor and not just get bored. this is true but you gotta not go overboard with it especially since in the playoffs against the best teams you can't rely on the bums to carry. give the ball to the superstar so they make shots.

史蒂文斯教练的执教理念是：给予队内每个人均等的机会，每个回合都要分享球，这样才能激活大家参与到进攻后的回防中，不至于感到枯燥。这是事实，可是你不能过度强调这一点啊，因为到了季后赛中面对顶尖球队时，你总不能依赖那些资质平平的球员去暴走吧，要把球交到超巨手里，让他们投。

[–][BOS] Dee Brown PaulPierceBrosnan 22 points 11 hours ago

It's still early enough that he can let them fight for minutes. Hayward, Smart, Rozier and Morris are all getting similar game time but somebody needs to get dialed back there. I think its tough when you have 3 young guys go off last year who show that they are ready to start and then have to work an extra 60 minutes in for Hayward and Irving as they come back.

凯尔特人球迷：因为现在赛季还早，所以他才让大家为了上场时间而竞争。海沃德、斯玛特、罗齐尔和莫里斯的上场时间都很接近，不过某人需要找回感觉了。当你队里有3个上赛季发挥抢眼的年轻人，且他们已经准备好首发，却又不得不因为海沃德和欧文的回归而额外多训练60分钟时，我觉得这种局面是很棘手的。

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[–][BOS] Jaylen Brown JB7FTW 340 points 17 hours ago

Honestly fuck the young players. Make the NBA old again. Bring back some prime studs like Omeka Okafor and Kendrick Perkins.

凯尔特人球迷：我去尼玛的年轻人。让NBA老龄化吧。把埃梅卡-奥卡福和帕金斯这种老油条请回来吧。

[–][WAS] Brendan Haywood Perfection_Merchant 73 points 12 hours ago

Young talent in the NBA is generally very god damn overrated, after Tyreke Evans put up 20/5/5 you had people already declare him a future superstar. Players don’t progress like that.

Also, in legitimately hate how some fans here don’t want to trade young talent for proven superstars. If the Pelicans call Danny Ainge “Give us Tatum, Jaylen Brown and a pick and we give you Anthony Davis” I have no doubt in my mind that Danny Ainge is saying yes before Demps can finish his sentence. You can only hope young guys can become superstars, you trade them for proven superstars every single damn time.

奇才球迷：NBA里有天赋的年轻人一般都特么被严重高估了，泰瑞克-埃文斯当年场均20+5+5之后，当时就有人说他是未来的超巨。可是球员们的成长轨迹不是那么回事啊。

此外，这里有些球迷不希望用有天赋的新星去交换那些已经证明过自身实力的超巨，这种反感也是合理的。可如果鹈鹕跟安吉说“把塔图姆、布朗和一个选秀签给我们，我们给你安东尼-戴维斯”，那我敢保证，在鹈鹕高管的话还没说完之前，安吉都连忙答应了。你只能期望那些年轻人成长为超巨，可是特么只要有机会，你就会用他们去换那些成名超巨。

[–]Bulls monolith17 26 points 10 hours ago

It’s hilarious that Celtics fans wouldn’t do Tatum and Smart for AD, but honestly that trade would make them title contenders for the next 5 years no question.

公牛球迷：凯尔特人球迷不愿用塔图姆和斯玛特去换戴维斯，这真是有意思了。不过说实话啊，这种交易会让绿军今后5年都是妥妥的冠军争夺者。

[–]Nuggets MileHighCam 32 points 8 hours ago

I hate to be that guy... but Brown and Tatum should not be sacrificing minutes for Hayward at this point..

掘金球迷：我也不想这么说啊……但是布朗和塔图姆不该在这个阶段为了海沃德牺牲上场时间。

[–][BOS] Jaylen Brown Doob4Sho 12 points 5 hours ago

They aren't. They are sacrificing minutes for Morris and Smart...

Hayward is getting less minutes than any other starter and also he is working back in. What do you want us to do, just play him 10 minutes and never let him get back to anywhere near where he was?

Hayward has also started to look better and better each game. Great passing, solid defense, athleticism and movement coming back to him.

People are over-reacting to a winning record of all things...

杰伦-布朗球迷：他们俩并没有。他们是为莫里斯和斯玛特牺牲上场时间……

海沃德的出场时间比其他任何首发队员都少，而且他正在复苏。你还想我们咋做？就让他每场打10分钟，然后让他没法恢复到以前那种水准？

海沃德现在已经一场比一场好了，传球出色，防守稳健，运动能力和移动也在恢复。

大家对常规赛成绩看得太重了些……

[–][MIA] Anfernee Hardaway ChaseH9499 137 points 17 hours ago

Yes. Tatum and Brown are pretty damn good, but I swear sometimes people act like they’re the second coming of Jordan and Pippen. They’re good players with bright futures, but for fucks sake

Also, obligatory hE’s oNlY 20

热火球迷：没错，塔图姆和布朗特娘的确实厉害。但我保证啊，有时候大家搞得好像他俩是下一对乔丹和皮蓬一样。他们的确是前途光明的优秀球员，但是别特么太过了好吗

行吧，又要用他才20岁来强行洗脑了。

[–]Raptors RadicalTzar 29 points 10 hours ago

I don't believe they are overrated but I think there are a lot of valid points in this thread regarding the assessment of young talent.

That said, the Celtics are a very good basketball team playing in a weaker conference. It's basically them the Raptors and Bucks leading the way. I would not be surprised if any two of these three make it to the Eastern Finals. Any combo of the three would be a barn burner.

My guess is Toronto vs. Milwaukee, but I might be biased because I realllllly want that matchup.

猛龙球迷：我不认为绿军这些年轻人被高估了，不过就对年轻人天赋的评判而言，这个帖子里的好多观点还是有理有据的。

话虽如此，凯尔特人在一个相对较弱的分区里，真的是一支非常强大的球队。基本是他们和猛龙、雄鹿领跑东部。要是这三队里面的两队进入东决我也不会奇怪，那肯定是一出好戏。

我猜这个赛季东决是猛龙对雄鹿，也许我偏心了，但是我真的真的想看到这组对决啊！

[–]bdotbanfield 41 points 18 hours ago

I think this is a ten game overreaction. They're integrating Hayward and Kyrie back into a system that thrived without them. Start posting this if this continues at All Star break, which I highly doubt.

我觉得这才十场比赛，大家的反应有些过度了。凯尔特人正视图让海沃德和欧文融入球队体系之中，毕竟这个体系之前在没有他俩的情况下大获成功。要是到了全明星休赛期，这帮年轻人还是这种表现，那到时候再发帖喷吧，不过我觉得应该不会的。

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