【键盘侠】欧文称年轻人不知争冠应付出多少|老詹当年也这么想的

Kyrie Post Game Presser - “The young guys don’t know what it takes to be a championship level team.

欧文在昨天绿军惜败魔术的赛后表示：“球队的年轻人还不知道为了成为总冠军级别的球队要付出怎样的努力。”

“The young guys don’t know what it takes to be a championship level team. What it takes every day. And if they think it is hard now, what do they think it will be like when we’re trying to get to the Finals?”

“There were no expectations last year. Everyone played free and easy. Everyone surpassed whatever they expected for themselves. This year? We all have high expectations. The players, the coaches, everyone. And that’s good, but we aren’t doing it yet.”

"We can get there. We’ve got to be better. I’ve got to be better. We need to win these games on the road. That’s on me as a leader. I need to be a better leader and to help get us there.”

“这些年轻人还不知道为了成为总冠军级别的球队要付出怎样的努力，不知道每天要做什么。如果他们现在就觉得很努力了，那等到我们要争取进入总决赛时又该是什么感受呢？”

“去年大家对我们原本没有多大的期许，每个人都打得很自由轻松，每个人的表现都超出了人们的预期。那今年呢？我们都对这支球队抱有很高的期望，从球员到教练人人如此。这是好事，不过我们还没有做好。”

“我们可以做到那一步，我们必须要变得更强，我也必须要变得更强。我们要赢下这些客场比赛，这是我作为球队领袖的责任。我得成为一个更好的领导者，帮助球队闯进总决赛。”

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[–]Timberwolves stripesnstripes 81 points 21 hours ago

Yeah it’s easy. Be on a team with LeBron.

森林狼球迷：很简单啊，和勒布朗一个队不就得了

[–]chaelp1 5615 points 22 hours ago

Now he knows how Lebron felt when he came back to Cleveland

现在他知道当初勒布朗回到克利夫兰时的感受了吧

[–]Knicks HokageEzio 175 points 22 hours ago

They went to the Finals 3 times though.

尼克斯球迷：不过他们一起还是进过三次总决赛啊

[–]chaelp1 938 points 22 hours ago

Because of Lebron. The first season was especially trying because guys like Kyrie, Waiters before the trade, Tristan and Love had never played winning basketball. He spent a few games simply standing in the corner trying to prove a point to Kyrie and Dion that they couldn’t win playing like that

那是因为有勒布朗。第一个赛季老詹还是很烦的，因为当时像欧文、维特斯、特里斯坦-汤普森和乐福这样的球员没有过成功的经验，他有那么一些比赛就站在底角，试图向欧文和维特斯证明他们那么打不能赢球。

[–]regret_or_discipline 81 points 20 hours ago

Can you link the games he stood in the corner? I wanna lulz

你能说说那些他站在底线的比赛吗？我想乐呵乐呵

[–]94savage 446 points 20 hours ago*

Lebron did it a couple of times but there was a early season 2014 game @ Portland. Kyrie just had a game with 34 points, 0 assists @ the Jazz . He felt Kyrie was playing too much 1v1 vs Lillard so he stood in the corner most of the game. it stands out to me because he admitted later he did it on purpose to teach a lesson. Cavs got blown out by 30

勒布朗有几次是那么做的，不过我记得2014/15赛季初对阵开拓者的比赛和对阵爵士欧文拿了34分0助的比赛。他觉得欧文对利拉德的单打太多了，所以他那场比赛大部分时间就站在底角。我之所以记得这场比赛是因为他后来承认他是故意这么做给欧文上课的。因为骑士那场比赛被对手狂胜30分。

[–]Timberwolves 127crazie 352 points 19 hours ago

Bron’s such a baller lol

森林狼球迷：勒布朗还真是懂球，哈哈哈

[–]Warriors Otherwise_Window 50 points 20 hours ago

Without LeBron they didn't get to the playoffs. IN THE EAST.

勇士球迷：没有勒布朗他们都进不了季后赛，而且还是在东部！

[–]Mavericks LickMyDoncic 350 points 20 hours ago

How many finals appearances.. wait no let me start again. How many playoff appearances did Kyrie lead them to before LeBron came back?

Wait no let me start again. How many 50 40 30 win seasons did he lead them to? One. He lead them to one season of winning 33 games before LeBron came back. LeBron won more games than that in his rookie year.

These cats aren't on the same level. Kyrie would never have ascended to having 'what it takes' to be a champion without LeBron.

I know he ran away from Cleveland so he would stop hearing that, but it ain't gonna happen because it's the truth.

独行侠球迷：有多少次总决赛……好吧我这么说吧，在勒布朗来到骑士之前，欧文带队进过季后赛几次？

那我再换种方式。欧文有几次单独带队拿到过赛季30胜以上的？一次。在勒布朗回归之前的那个赛季，欧文带队拿下常规赛33胜。勒布朗在新秀赛季带队的胜场都比这多。

这俩人就不是一个等级的。要不是勒布朗，欧文哪有什么机会侃侃而谈说成为总冠军要付出什么之类的。

我知道他离开克利夫兰就是不想听到这些，不过这是不可能的，因为这是事实。

[–][CLE] Shaquille O'NealI pwnurface 271 points 19 hours ago

Thats the point though. Kyrie thinks hes on the same level as bron. When in reality, bron was at kyries peak in his rookie year.

骑士球迷：就是这么个理。欧文觉得他和勒布朗是一个水平的。可实际上呢，勒布朗在处在赛季就达到了欧文的巅峰水准。

[–]Rockets fourchainz__ 4560 points 20 hours ago

We all eventually turn into our parents

火箭球迷：我们最终都变成了我们父母的样子。

[–]cody wankennobi 31 points 19 hours ago

Indeed, and LeBron is a lot of people's dad.

确实，那勒布朗就是很多人的父亲。

[–][GSW] Andris Biedrins AbstrActivities 197 points 15 hours ago

My belief is that flaws in parenting skips a generation a lot of times. Dad was neglected so he becomes overbearing with his own kid, and his own kid goes the opposite direction because he couldn't stand the helicopter parenting and now we're back at square one.

勇士球迷：我觉得父母的缺点很多时候都是隔代传播的。父辈小时候被忽视了，所以他就很宠溺自己的孩子，然后他的孩子长大后就完全相反，他完全受不了那种直升机式（密切关注孩子）养育方法，于是我们又回到原点了。

[–]Psychic_rock 69 points 13 hours ago

That certainly aligns with my general beleif that everything’s a circle.

这绝对符合我一贯的价值观，一切都是个圆。

[–]fuckin_wot_m8 163 points 12 hours ago

Kyrie would disagree.

欧文或许不同意这种说法。

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[–][IND] Paul George watdapau 457 points 21 hours ago

Kyrie saw himself before lebron went back to the cavs. He was describing himself

步行者球迷：欧文看到了勒布朗回归骑士之前的自己。他在说他自己呢。

[–]Warriors Otherwise_Window 15 points 20 hours ago

the difference is that LeBron actually has and had a proven track record of making a team better

勇士球迷：他和勒布朗带队的区别在于，勒布朗是有真正证明过自己可以让球队变强的履历的。

[–]ginger_banks 92 points 19 hours ago

Kyrie isn't Lebron though. Lebron is a professional at carrying teams to the biggest stage. Kyrie's team made it to the conference finals without him.

欧文毕竟不是勒布朗啊。勒布朗很擅长在顶级舞台上上带队前进，而欧文的球队在他不在的情况下进了东部决赛。

[–]Cavaliers RCM88x 257 points 19 hours ago

The difference was that Cavs team was coming off a lottery pick season while the Celtics are coming off of B2B ECF.

Infact these "young guys" certainly do know what it takes to be a championship team, they were basically one win away from an EC title just last season.

骑士球迷：这就是区别，当时勒布朗再度回归的那支骑士前个赛季还是乐透区球队，而今年欧文带领的凯尔特人则是连续两年进入东部决赛。

实际上这些欧文口中所谓的“年轻人”肯定是知道成为一支冠军球队要付出什么的，毕竟他们上赛季离东部冠军只有一步之遥。

[–]Heat AidsAcrossAmerica 126 points 17 hours ago

And that was WITHOUT Kyrie and Hayward.

热火球迷：而且还没有欧文和海沃德。

[–]username--_-- 22 points 12 hours ago

Hayward is playing like a mediocre role player and the readdition of Kyrie really just seems to have reduced what everyone else was doing before.

Maybe this season will just be a gel and chemistry season and next season is where they truly make their mark

海沃德这赛季表现得就像是一个平庸的角色球员，而欧文的回归似乎削弱了其他人之前所发挥的作用。

或许这个赛季只是个磨合期，下赛季他们才会真正打出成绩。

[–][CLE] Kevin Love rompskee 660 points 23 hours ago

Something something “just wait until Kyrie and Hayward come back, this team is going to be unstoppable!”

骑士球迷：之前不是老有人说“等欧文和海沃德回来之后，这支球队将不可阻挡”吗？

[–]Celtics NatrolleonBonaparte 371 points 22 hours ago

Was a totally reasonable prediction if you watched how the team played without them last year

凯尔特人球迷：要是你真看了他们上赛季在没有他俩的情况下的表现，那你就知道赛季开始前的那种预测是完全合理的。

[–]Raptors mantistobogganmMD 23 points 23 hours ago

If Celtics shit the bed in the playoffs is Irving leaving a serious possibility?

猛龙球迷：要是凯尔特人在今年的季后赛中早早出局了，欧文是不是很有可能离开？

[–]yanansawelder 40 points 22 hours ago

Maybe should've just stayed in Cleveland with Bron

或许他就之前该留在克利夫兰和勒布朗在一起。

[–]Raptors AprilsMostAmazing 20 points 21 hours ago

he can just join Lebron in LA this offseason

猛龙球迷：他可以在休赛期去洛杉矶找勒布朗啊。

[–]Warriors ArtfulLying 22 points 20 hours ago

If that happened, I’d feel so bad for Cavs fans lol

勇士球迷：要是真成了，那我真同情骑士球迷啊，哈哈哈

[–][CLE] Matthew Dellavedova RetMaestro 22 points 19 hours ago

everything is fine, we just to have to tank for Zion, everything is fine

骑士球迷：一切都没啥，我们就想为了锡安摆烂，一切都OK

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[–]0110nets 67 points 23 hours ago

So teach them. You've been there over a year

那你叫教他们啊。你不是已经在那儿待了一年多了吗

[–]Timberwolves revohitta 880 points 22 hours ago

What's going on with the celtics fam?

森林狼球迷：凯尔特人这是怎么了？

[–]Celtics MarcusNotSmart 1698 points 22 hours ago

Tatum is overrated as hell.

Brown is playing injured and is also not a good offensive player at all.

Hayward's injury took 75% of his talent away.

Horford is old.

If Morris wasn't having a miracle season we would be like a .500 team.

凯尔特人球迷：塔图姆太特么被高估了。

布朗受伤了，而且他并不是个出色的进攻球员。

海沃德的伤病带走了他75%的天赋。

如果不是莫里斯打得好，我们就是一支胜率刚过半的球队。

[–]Hawks fruliojoman 1164 points 22 hours ago

Yeah Brown and Tatum suck, in fact since we're so nice we'll take one of them off your hands and give you the exciting and cool and young Taurean Prince

老鹰球迷：是啊，布朗和塔图姆太菜了，那既然我赢这么好，我们可以带走他俩其中一个，然后把让人兴奋又年轻潇洒的托里恩-普林斯给你们。

[–]Knicks Broken_Seesaw 30 points 14 hours ago

Go away.

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Hey Celtics, have you seen Emmanual Mudiay's breakout season?

尼克斯球迷：走开。

嘿凯尔特人，你们看到穆迪埃这个赛季的突飞猛进了吗？

[–]Raptors AprilsMostAmazing 37 points 20 hours ago

i'll give you 3point sometimes shooter CJ Miles for Tatum

猛龙球迷：我可以用三分时灵时不灵的CJ-迈尔斯换塔图姆。

[–][PHI] T.J. McConnell Hesi_Pull-up_Timbo 91 points 21 hours ago

Saw a Celts fan saying Tatum is better than Embiid.

76人球迷：之前还看到有个凯蜜说塔图姆比恩比德强呢。

[–]ghhgb 72 points 17 hours ago

I saw Philly fan saying Simmons is better than Kyrie. What's your point?

我还看过76人球迷说西蒙斯比欧文强呢。你想表达什么？

[–]Mavericks LiftBodyUpThenDown 43 points 17 hours ago

His point is that people have to agree with the consensus opinions or they deserve to be mocked

独行侠球迷：他的意思是，大家应该认同那种主流观点，不然就该被嘲笑。

[–][BOS] Shaquille O'Neal gda19 108 points 22 hours ago*

Brown has been better than Tatum the past month and half. I suspect he’s better than Tatum overall when he’s not injured

凯尔特人球迷：就过去的一个半月来说，布朗的表现比塔图姆要好。我怀疑要是他健康的话，整体而言也是比塔图姆强的。

[–]RANDY FLOSS 387 points 23 hours ago

If I'm Jay Tatum and Jaylen Brown, I'm like, probably gonna not like Kyrie much.

如果我是塔图姆和布朗，那我或许不会很喜欢欧文。

[–]oakled 210 points 23 hours ago

If I’m a young guy I’m thinking “we were nearly a Finals team last year when you weren’t here”.

如果我是凯尔特人队里的年轻人，那我就想了“没你的时候我们都差点进了总决赛啊。”

[–]Raptors JasonH0711 144 points 23 hours ago

If they don’t like him now they gonna detest him when they get shipped to NO this off-season

猛龙球迷：如果他们现在不喜欢欧文的话，那等到凯尔特人在休赛期把这俩年轻人送到新奥尔良之后，他们就会厌恶欧文。

[–]Kings dontcallbymethat 407 points 23 hours ago

They went to game 7 in the ECF without Kyrie and Hayward. I can definitely see them taking some issue with this.

国王球迷：毕竟是在没有欧文和海沃德的情况下，打到了东部决赛第七场。我完全理解他们会对欧文的话感到不爽。

[–]Celtics HorsNoises 108 points 22 hours ago

They're also 20 and 21 years old and haven't been to 3 straight Finals. I'm pretty sure they're smart enough dudes to know that this is Kyrie's team and they aren't playing to their full potential. Y'all aren't giving them enough credit.

凯尔特人球迷：而且他俩就20、21岁，又没有连续三年进过总决赛的经验，我相信他俩是很聪明的，应该知道这是欧文的球队，而且他俩还没完全打出各自的潜力。你们大家对他俩的认可还不够。

[–][CHI] Derrick Rose shotrob 190 points 21 hours ago

they also have never had LeBron on their team to carry them

公牛球迷：而且他们还从来没有詹姆斯这种队友罩着。

[–][TOR] DeMar DeRozan fin_to_fin 141 points 23 hours ago

Never really picture Kyrie as a leader. He says he is but I dont get it and that's probably what they are lacking.

猛龙球迷：我还从未真正把欧文当领袖看过。他说他是，但是我不理解，或许这就是凯尔特人所欠缺的吧。

[–]Raptors AmbitiousSingh 32 points 21 hours ago

You know what they say, fake it till you make it. Say it often enough, and people might even start thinking he's a leader.

猛龙球迷：俗话说的好啊，装着装着就像了呗。有事没事就说自己是领袖，然后大家就开始觉得他是领袖了。

[–]KnowledgeNate 21 points 19 hours ago

Kyrie is not a lead dog. He thought he was because he's young and immature and hit a big shot to win the chip. Everybody wants to be the lead dog until they realize they're not. Kyrie is going through that realization right now. Publicly blaming the inexperience of your young players? Yeah, like that won't create massive resentment amongst the corps. Dude seems totally exasperated -- not a good look for a "leader."

欧文就不是当领袖的料。他觉得他是，那是因为他还年轻不成熟，而且曾经用关键的投篮赢过总冠军。每个人都想当领袖，直到他们意识到自己不是这块料。欧文现在就处于这个过程中。公开责备经验不足的年轻队友？是啊，看看会不会引起队里的公愤吧。欧文看着完全失态了，这可不是“领袖”该有的样子。

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[–]NBA RareSir 249 points 23 hours ago

It isn’t easy being the leader huh

当领袖可不容易啊，哈哈哈

[–]Clippers meteor_jam32 878 points 22 hours ago

They need to listen to him. He knows what he's talking about.

快船球迷：那些年轻人应该听欧文的，他知道自己在说什么

[–]Celtics troydotraw 260 points 23 hours ago

I love him and agree with everything

凯尔特人球迷：我爱欧文，我同意他说的任何观点

[–]Nosalis2 47 points 23 hours ago

He needs to do a Harden & go for 40 every night. This team is trash offensively outside him.

他必须要像哈登那样每晚得40分才行，除了他之外，这支凯尔特人的进攻稀烂。

[–]Celtics troydotraw 28 points 23 hours ago

I agree 100%. He has the talent to do so as well. But Brad loves the idea of a team where everybody eats. And a team like that hasn’t won a chip in a while

凯尔特人球迷：我完全同意。他有这个天赋。不过史蒂文斯老想着组建一支全民皆兵的球队。然而这样的球队已经有些年头没有夺冠了。

[–]Bucks vkytdjtfgkj 720 points 22 hours ago*

I really don't see anything wrong with what he said.

These young guys don't have the experience. Playing with expecations is harder. I need to be a better leader.

Seems like pretty typical #1 guy quotes. Kobe used to say shit like this every day.

雄鹿球迷：我真不觉得欧文说的话有什么毛病。

“这帮年轻人经验不足。背负着期望打球是更加困难的，我得成为一个更好的领袖。”

感觉这种话就是头号球星该说的啊。科比以前每天都说这种话。

[–]Knicks Driveshaft48 432 points 21 hours ago*

The difference is everyone knew Kobe was the Lakers and they'd be nothing without him.... The Celtics were literally one game away from the finals last year without Kyrie.... You don't think think a part of Tatum or Brown finds all this leader talk a little agitating?

尼克斯球迷：区别是大家都知道当时科比就是湖人，没有科比湖人啥也不是……而凯尔特人上赛季没欧文都差点进了总决赛……难道你认为欧文这个领袖的那番话不会让塔图姆或布朗有点火大吗？

[–]Warriors YellowBaboon 98 points 21 hours ago

That was a really weak east though and Horford was the main reason they did well.

勇士球迷：不过上赛季东部是真的菜啊，他们表现好主要还是因为霍福德。

[–]Knicks Driveshaft48 73 points 21 hours ago

I agree but tell that to Tatum

尼克斯球迷：我同意，不过这话得跟塔图姆说。

[–][LAL] Caron Butler TheDarkKnightAdvises 133 points 21 hours ago

Tatum and brown don’t have the same amount of experience as kyrie does. Kyrie is the star of the team, and that celtics team did very well last year but I don’t think they’d be as good this year without kyrie, who’s carried them through quite a few games. If Tatum and brown have a problem, they should start playing a little better and prove themselves first.

湖人球迷：塔图姆和布朗的经验比不上欧文，欧文是队里的球星。凯尔特人上赛季确实表现很好，但是我不觉得他们这个赛季如果没有欧文还能有那种表现，很多比赛可都是欧文接管的。要是塔图姆和布朗对欧文说的话不爽，那他们应该从现在开始打得更好些，先证明自己。

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