【键盘侠】威少连续八场三双|这数据真的被高估了吗？

Russell Westbrook got his 8th straight triple double last night. Passing Michael Jordan for longest triple double streak in 51 years.

拉塞尔-威斯布鲁克在昨日的比赛中连续第八次拿下三双，超越迈克尔-乔丹，并且有望打破尘封51年的连续三双记录。

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[–][NYK] Nate RobinsonTheKnicksHateMe 452 points 14 hours ago

Actually very surprised russ hasn't done this already.

尼克斯球迷：实际上我非常震惊，威少此前竟然没有达成这一成就。

[–]ThunderAedanwolfe 199 points 13 hours ago

He has hit 7 games in a row two other times, just had trouble getting that 8th game lol

雷霆球迷：他此前两次都连续七次拿了三双，但是在第八场比赛每次都出了点问题。

[–]PacersAremRed 47 points 11 hours ago

So really he passed Jordan once and his co-record twice.

步行者球迷：所以他真的超越乔丹加自己的记录两次嘛？

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[–]Kekukoka 1195 points 16 hours ago

He's actually going to pass Magic in triple doubles this season. How the fuck.

他确实已经在三双上超越了魔术师了，我的个天老爷了。

[–]MavericksMrKalyoncu 824 points 15 hours ago

Back to back to back triple double seasons....

独行侠球迷：三连赛季场均三双……

[–][OKC] Paul GeorgePervy_Sensei 714 points 14 hours ago

The triple triple double

雷霆球迷：这就是传说中的三三双……

[–]ThunderH_Town_Baby 361 points 12 hours ago

Russ just fucking making up statistical achievements

雷霆球迷：威少真的是数据狂魔。

[–][OKC] Paul GeorgePervy_Sensei 224 points 12 hours ago

Smh dude is stat padding historical seasons, why are we even acting like it’s impressive

雷霆球迷：哈哈哈，这家伙又创造了一个历史性的赛季，所以我们为啥才感觉不可思议啊……

[–]Warriorsborntoperform 158 points 12 hours ago

Living in the Bay Area, and my coworker and I were talking NBA shop yesterday about who the MVP currently is, and then we started talking about WestGOAT, and he says, "Man he's such a stat padder." Like, do you fucking realize he is about to average a triple double for a season for the third straight season? At some point, reducing this to simply stat padding doesn't really answer how, aside from the Beard, no one else consistently gets even half the number of triple doubles he gets.

勇士球迷：我住在湾区，我和我的同时当时在NBA的商店里讨论现在的MVP，当我们讨论到西部史上最佳大威少的时候，他来了一句，“兄弟，他真的是个数据创造者，”“你发现他已经连续第三个赛季场均三双了嘛？”有的时候这数据你也真的不知道咋来的，但是除了大胡子，好像没人能得到他一半的三双数据。

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[–][BOS] Marcus SmartIdEgoLeBron 117 points 11 hours ago

Harden had 4 to Russ's 21 last year, and he has 6 to Russ's 25 this year. Let's be real, Harden is one of the most talented players in the NBA, and he can barely manage 1/5th of Russ's.

凯尔特人球迷：哈登上赛季4个三双，威少21个，本赛季他6个三双威少本赛季已经25个了，所以真实点吧，尽管哈登是NBA最具天赋的球员，但是他的三双也不过是大威少的五分之一。

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[–][PHI] Dario Saricbrahlicious 74 points 15 hours ago

And not even an all-star starter ...

76人球迷：这样的人甚至都不是全明星首发……

[–]Lakersrutgersjf 336 points 14 hours ago

41/24/64 split is pretty horrendous, triple double or not

湖人球迷：命中率41+24+64也太烂了吧，除了三双也没别的了……

[–]Rocketscbs1507 54 points 13 hours ago

At least he's shooting less this year, which has really benefited the Thunder.

火箭球迷：至少他今年投得很少，这对雷霆已经大有益处的。

[–][WAS] Moses Maloneburnerfret 290 points 15 hours ago

lol, I remember when Jordan was on that streak (I think Doug Collins was trying him at PG IIRC?) and it was absolutely mind-blowing at the time.

奇才球迷：哈哈哈，我还记得当时乔丹连续7次拿三双（当时的控卫时邓恩-柯林斯？）当时真的是爆炸讨论啊。

[–]KnicksIllAlwaysBeAKnickFan 298 points 14 hours ago

Russell Westbrook has pretty much singlehandedly normalized triple doubles. I remember just 5 years ago, a triple double was crazy. Now it’s kind of just whatever.

尼克斯球迷：拉塞尔-威斯布鲁克真的是普通化三双了，我还记得五年前三双还是很强的，现在大家就都无所谓起来了。

[–]Thundera_weak_child 53 points 12 hours ago

It is not just whatever. It is still cool as fuck, I don't care what the media or other people think, I am freaking out about it and love watching it happen year after year.

雷霆球迷：并不无所谓啊，现在依然很酷，我不关心社交媒体和别的人怎么想的，我就是为三双感到兴奋并且喜欢看这个表演一年又一年。

[–]Wizardsprettymuthafucka 142 points 12 hours ago

This is so under rated but a Woj tweet saying AD still hasn't been traded gets 40k upvotes lol

奇才球迷：这才是热门帖子啊，但是Woj就发了一个“安东尼-戴维斯”不会被交易就会得到40000的赞同哈哈哈。

[–][LAL] Lonzo Ballcwillard260 203 points 15 hours ago

This just feels normal at this point but it’s super impressive

湖人球迷：这一瞬间我觉得有些平平无奇，但是确实非常令人印象深刻。

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[–]WhileFalseRepeat 681 points 16 hours ago

I am very aware of Westbrook's flaws, but no player is perfect and this is *extraordinary*. Some players have super powers that others do not seem to possess - like Harden with his foul-drawing mastery. Westbrook's super power is the triple double.

People are acting like this is normal or something these days. Give this man RESPECT.

我真的意识到威少的缺点，但是没有球员十全十美啊，有些人具有特殊的能量而且他人就是没有——就像哈登和他造犯规的能力，威少的的特殊能力就是三双。

人们表现的就像是这些东西都习以为常啊，给这个男人一些尊重好吧。

[–][WAS] Moses Maloneburnerfret 262 points 15 hours ago

It feels like the triple-double was called overrated so often, it's become underrated.

奇才球迷：感觉大家都觉得对三双这个数据高看了，实际上是被低估了。

[–]RaptorsJacoIII 519 points 12 hours ago*2

People view the triple-double as a useless statistic since, they argue, it's just a random benchmark. The thing is: they're right. How different is a 20/10/10 season from a 20/9.5/9.5 season? Not very, it's just 41 rebounds/assists over an 82 game season.

So I think the best way to look at Westbrook's statistical achievements is to lower the bar by about 20% and see how many other players have managed to leap over it. If it's a lot of players, then it's arguable that Westbrook is being overrated because "triple-double" sounds good. If he stands mostly alone, then he's rightly viewed as one of the most impressive players ever.

How many players have had 20/10/10 seasons? 2 players (Robertson, Westbrook) and 3 seasons between them.

Let's reduce rebs/assists by 10%. How many players have had 20/9/9 seasons? Still only 2 players, but now it's 6 total seasons (4 for Robertson). Wow, so far Westbrook's achievements are holding up.

How about 20/8/8 (20% reduction)? Now the list starts to expand. We get 6 players total and 12 seasons. Joining Westbrook and Robertson are: Michael Jordan (1 season), Wilt Chamberlain (1 season), James Harden (1 season), and LeBron James (2 seasons). Magic Johnson has two seasons which almost qualify, one 20/8/8 season where he only played 37 games and a second season where he played 77 but was 9 rebounds short on averaging 8 for the season. Bad luck, Magic.

Let's do one more: 15/8/8. Even by dropping the points requirement by a full 25% we only add a single player and season: Ben Simmons' rookie year. EDIT: I forgot to mention that Magic Johnson's '81-'82 season also qualifies here.

So, to conclude, even by dropping the statistical requirements by 20% (and 25% for points) we see that only 6 other players have managed to achieve anything close to what Westbrook is doing and 5/6 are all-time greats while the 6th is a 6'10" PG whose career is just getting started. Basically, averaging a season of 20/8/8 is one of the hardest things to do in basketball and any player who manages it (or even gets close) is probably a generational talent.

tl;dr Westbrook is pretty fucking great.

猛龙球迷：人们都说三双是一个没有用的技术指标，不过是一个随机的数据而已，确实他们说的没啥问题，20+10+10和20+9.5+9.5差距不大，确实差不太多，不过是82场比赛少得了42个篮板和42个助攻而已。

所以我觉得看威少的数据成就就是降低这个数据20%然后来看看有多少球员能达到这个要求，如果有很多球员，那就证明威少这个数据被高估了不过是听起来好听一点，如果他还是一个人的话，就说明他是一个非常强大的球员。

所以有多少人单赛季能拿20+10+10？两个球员（罗伯特森、威斯布鲁克）以及连续三个赛季，让我们把标准降低百分之十，有多少人拿到20+9+9？仍然是两个球员，但是一共有六个赛季了（有四个是罗伯特森了），所以威少的成就保住一成。

那如果减少百分之二十，数据到20+8+8呢，榜单确实展开了不少：一共有6个球员总共十二个赛季，加入威斯布鲁克和罗伯森行列里的有：乔丹（1个赛季）、张伯伦（1个赛季）、哈登（1个赛季）以及勒布朗-詹姆斯（2个赛季），魔术师约翰逊有两个赛季也能达到这个要求，但是一个只打了37场比赛，第二个赛季打了77场但是和场均8个篮板只差9个篮板，很可惜啊。

让数据降到15+8+8，这份名单也只能加入一个球员并且一个赛季，本-西蒙斯的新秀赛季。

所以总结一下，即使把这个数据一降再降，我们都可以看到也只有六名球员取得了和威少相似的成绩，而且其中一个人只是个新秀，他的职业生涯不过刚刚开始，所以说基本20+8+8都是篮球运动中非常难做到的事情，任何一个能达到这个数据（甚至接近）都是一代天才。

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[–][ATL] Paul MillsapJfklikeskfc 92 points 15 hours ago

Russ is a top 5-7 PG ever change my mind

老鹰球迷：我觉得他就是史上5-7左右的控卫吧。

[–]Chewie_Defense 42 points 13 hours ago

Debatable. He's probably top 10 already. Definitely not top 5 though.

Magic. Oscar. IT. Nash. CP3. Steph. Kidd. Payton. Iverson.

Just to name a few that immediately come to mind before Russ.

我觉得有待争议，他应该能进前十，但是肯定不是前五。

魔术师、大O、以赛亚-托马斯、纳什、保罗、基德、库里、佩顿、艾弗森

这些人应该都能排在威少之前把。

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